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<blockquote data-quote="Knight Otu" data-source="post: 3793676" data-attributes="member: 192">I don't really see anything in that fluff that forces demons to act stupid or even mindless, honestly. Sure it uses the word &quot;savage,&quot; says they squander their resources and makes them sound rather disorganized. Doesn't seem too inappropriate to me, and is stated in a way that makes it sound more like a guideline rather than a &quot;programming.&quot; It really doesn't seem like it removes the potential of grand-scale demonic actions. They'll just need a bit of whipping. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> How else should they react to a (temporary) hole in the prison wall? &quot;Meh, I like it better here, but whatever, I'll go through&quot;?Ahem. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> We're not even quite certain yet how wizards work in 4E. Making assumptions about a specific subset of wizardly powers or magical groupings is rather premature. Summoning may mean the same things in both 3.X and 4E. Or Summoning in 4E may be what would be Planar Binding in 3.X. Or Calling. Or even Conjuration as a whole.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Knight Otu, post: 3793676, member: 192"] I don't really see anything in that fluff that forces demons to act stupid or even mindless, honestly. Sure it uses the word "savage," says they squander their resources and makes them sound rather disorganized. Doesn't seem too inappropriate to me, and is stated in a way that makes it sound more like a guideline rather than a "programming." It really doesn't seem like it removes the potential of grand-scale demonic actions. They'll just need a bit of whipping. ;) How else should they react to a (temporary) hole in the prison wall? "Meh, I like it better here, but whatever, I'll go through"? Ahem. ;) We're not even quite certain yet how wizards work in 4E. Making assumptions about a specific subset of wizardly powers or magical groupings is rather premature. Summoning may mean the same things in both 3.X and 4E. Or Summoning in 4E may be what would be Planar Binding in 3.X. Or Calling. Or even Conjuration as a whole. [/QUOTE]

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