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<blockquote data-quote="Intrope" data-source="post: 3793763" data-attributes="member: 3591"><p>Man, I'm rocking with this! And I get to gloat, too: I just posted a day or so ago a post that we didn't know whether Succubi as Devils was good or bad <em>because we didn't know the context</em>. Now we do, and they slot in as Devils perfectly (as someone upstream put it, a Carnal Demon would not seduce anything).</p><p></p><p>BTW, why is everyone assuming a Devil=Law/Demon=Chaos model here? It's pretty clear that the various planes aren't alignment mapped--The Hells and The Abyss apparently aren't even in the same 'region' of the new Cosmology! I'm going to guess here that many Devils may well be lawful--but that they aren't inherently Lawful beings (Succubi may still be chaotics, for instance). </p><p></p><p>Also, just because a Demon is an annihalator, seeking destruction rather than dominion need not imply that they are <strong>dumb</strong>. Consider as Demonic: The Giger Alien. Various Lovecraftian Horrors. Lord Foul (The Covenant Chronicles). Thanos from Marvel[1] (when he was still a full-on villain). Hellmaster Phibrizzio from Slayers[2]. Parralax/Extant in DC (destroy the univers to remake it). </p><p></p><p>Devil seek to rule; Demons seek to destroy (often for reasons that are insane or ineffable to everyone else). </p><p></p><p>[1] His DC equivalent/source, Darkseid, is more nearly a Devil</p><p>[2] The other Monsters actually act more like Devils</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Intrope, post: 3793763, member: 3591"] Man, I'm rocking with this! And I get to gloat, too: I just posted a day or so ago a post that we didn't know whether Succubi as Devils was good or bad [I]because we didn't know the context[/I]. Now we do, and they slot in as Devils perfectly (as someone upstream put it, a Carnal Demon would not seduce anything). BTW, why is everyone assuming a Devil=Law/Demon=Chaos model here? It's pretty clear that the various planes aren't alignment mapped--The Hells and The Abyss apparently aren't even in the same 'region' of the new Cosmology! I'm going to guess here that many Devils may well be lawful--but that they aren't inherently Lawful beings (Succubi may still be chaotics, for instance). Also, just because a Demon is an annihalator, seeking destruction rather than dominion need not imply that they are [B]dumb[/B]. Consider as Demonic: The Giger Alien. Various Lovecraftian Horrors. Lord Foul (The Covenant Chronicles). Thanos from Marvel[1] (when he was still a full-on villain). Hellmaster Phibrizzio from Slayers[2]. Parralax/Extant in DC (destroy the univers to remake it). Devil seek to rule; Demons seek to destroy (often for reasons that are insane or ineffable to everyone else). [1] His DC equivalent/source, Darkseid, is more nearly a Devil [2] The other Monsters actually act more like Devils [/QUOTE]
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