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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tharen the Damned" data-source="post: 3793818" data-attributes="member: 17091">That does not sound as if Demons use sophisticated plans to achieve something, even if it is to get more personal power. They are just like army ants.I see the idea behind this clear design. Fluff follows function. In the 4th mechanics devils will be "manipulators" (or whatever they will be called) and demons will simply be brutes.That will make Demons really interesting. You can not talk with them, you have to kill them. Nothing else is possible.No Savage Tide anymore. Demogorgon would not make such an elaborate plan. He rather attack everything himself.The whole Waukeen affair in FR never happend. Grazzt is just another engine of destruction, only there to wreak havoc.And Orcus, poor Orcus is just another mindless brute with a big club. Just there to deliver EPs to the PCs.</blockquote>