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<blockquote data-quote="Scholar &amp;amp; Brutalman" data-source="post: 3795437" data-attributes="member: 33642">I can't agree with this: the presented cosmology of 1st edition AD&amp;D was explicit setting material. The reader was presented with a map showing the location of various sites - called planes - with not only generic monsters from those sites but the stats and personalities of some of their rulers. Various spells were given to travel to these sites were one could talk, fight and ideally kill these rulers.This is as much explicit setting material as a book giving the stats of Emo McTrenchcoat, the Vampire prince of Wollongong. The implied setting was the pseudo-medieval world the PC originate in, where maps and local rulers are never given.3rd ed core planar setting seems to be a bit less specified, since none of the archfiends are statted, but it's still the same underneath as 1st ed. This makes sense since 3e's default setting is Greyhawk, and the Great Wheel is Greyhawk's cosmology.The new planar setting we've been shown looks like it is just as much an explicit setting as 1st ed. More of the general feel of a return to earlier editions that I've been getting from 4e.I don't like the Great Wheel and I'm happy to see it go. It's natural that people who do like it are unhappy, but I don't think that D&amp;D has to keep Gygax's planar setting to still be the same game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scholar & Brutalman, post: 3795437, member: 33642"] I can't agree with this: the presented cosmology of 1st edition AD&D was explicit setting material. The reader was presented with a map showing the location of various sites - called planes - with not only generic monsters from those sites but the stats and personalities of some of their rulers. Various spells were given to travel to these sites were one could talk, fight and ideally kill these rulers. This is as much [I]explicit[/I] setting material as a book giving the stats of Emo McTrenchcoat, the Vampire prince of Wollongong. The [I]implied[/I] setting was the pseudo-medieval world the PC originate in, where maps and local rulers are never given. 3rd ed core planar setting seems to be a bit less specified, since none of the archfiends are statted, but it's still the same underneath as 1st ed. This makes sense since 3e's default setting is Greyhawk, and the Great Wheel is Greyhawk's cosmology. The new planar setting we've been shown looks like it is just as much an explicit setting as 1st ed. More of the general feel of a return to earlier editions that I've been getting from 4e. I don't like the Great Wheel and I'm happy to see it go. It's natural that people who do like it are unhappy, but I don't think that D&D has to keep Gygax's planar setting to still be the same game. [/QUOTE]

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