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<blockquote data-quote="Skyscraper" data-source="post: 4728759" data-attributes="member: 48518"><p>You're not supposed to pit an adult red dragon (level 15 solo according to MM) against a 3rd level party. Why? Because the DMG says so. And why does it say so? Because the 4E mechanic breaks down if you do. And why's that? Because the 4E mechanic is relative, not absolute. I understand not everyone agrees with this point of view, but this is how I see things and I do not wish to go into the entire absolute vs relative thing again until we derive towards whether a level 20 minion actually has a single hit point when facing a hypothetical farmer with no combat training whatsoever. But, assuming you agree with the "relative" apprach, i.e. the level 20 minion only has a single hit point for the level 20 opponents but would have more hit points than the farmer can count against him, then that's why the adult red dragon's stats in the MM would not allow him to kill a level 3 fighter with a single breath weapon.</p><p></p><p>Now, back to your question, what if a level three party met an adult red dragon? Well, I think you then need to redesign the dragon. An adult red dragon's breath is supposed to deal 2d12 + 6 fire damage <em>to level 15 opponents</em>. Against level 3 opponents? Have it deal 12d12 and fry the whole lot if you wanna. The creature is way too strong for them anyway and presumably that's the point you want to carry across.</p><p></p><p>Sky</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Skyscraper, post: 4728759, member: 48518"] You're not supposed to pit an adult red dragon (level 15 solo according to MM) against a 3rd level party. Why? Because the DMG says so. And why does it say so? Because the 4E mechanic breaks down if you do. And why's that? Because the 4E mechanic is relative, not absolute. I understand not everyone agrees with this point of view, but this is how I see things and I do not wish to go into the entire absolute vs relative thing again until we derive towards whether a level 20 minion actually has a single hit point when facing a hypothetical farmer with no combat training whatsoever. But, assuming you agree with the "relative" apprach, i.e. the level 20 minion only has a single hit point for the level 20 opponents but would have more hit points than the farmer can count against him, then that's why the adult red dragon's stats in the MM would not allow him to kill a level 3 fighter with a single breath weapon. Now, back to your question, what if a level three party met an adult red dragon? Well, I think you then need to redesign the dragon. An adult red dragon's breath is supposed to deal 2d12 + 6 fire damage [I]to level 15 opponents[/I]. Against level 3 opponents? Have it deal 12d12 and fry the whole lot if you wanna. The creature is way too strong for them anyway and presumably that's the point you want to carry across. Sky [/QUOTE]
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