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<blockquote data-quote="Lauberfen" data-source="post: 4729572" data-attributes="member: 71418"><p>But the whole of 4th won't make much sense if you base it on reality-</p><p>My rogue has coup de graced an unconsiouc humanoid, and failed to kill them. Now, as a medical student, I know that if someone with any kind of training tries to kill a helpless person with a dagger (such as by stabbing them through the eye, or slitting their throat), the chance of them surviving is zero, regardless of how tough they are [well tehnically they might survive being stabbed through the eye, assuming they get to a hospital pretty sharpish. They'll still be incapacitated though].</p><p></p><p>However this is jusy how 4th is. You cannot have long, complex combats, which are also realistically deadly. Compared to a coup de grace, a dragons breath is clearly less deadly: people can survive some pretty horrific burns, and there is no part of dragon folklore that says that anyone but a powerful warrior will be instantly killed by a dragon's breath.</p><p></p><p>As for dragons overall- Their pretty good solos, generally at least as powerful as their level suggests. The black dragon in particular is more deadly than it should be- I played against one with a party of 5 at 3rd level. Result- inevitable TPK (unless you run away, which the Ranger did). With a cloud of darkness for an effective +5 to all defences, and all sorts of nasty attacks with ongoing damage, our party could never expect to beat that thing.</p><p></p><p>In fact, has anyone here ever fought/run a dragon and found it to be lacking in 'beef'?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lauberfen, post: 4729572, member: 71418"] But the whole of 4th won't make much sense if you base it on reality- My rogue has coup de graced an unconsiouc humanoid, and failed to kill them. Now, as a medical student, I know that if someone with any kind of training tries to kill a helpless person with a dagger (such as by stabbing them through the eye, or slitting their throat), the chance of them surviving is zero, regardless of how tough they are [well tehnically they might survive being stabbed through the eye, assuming they get to a hospital pretty sharpish. They'll still be incapacitated though]. However this is jusy how 4th is. You cannot have long, complex combats, which are also realistically deadly. Compared to a coup de grace, a dragons breath is clearly less deadly: people can survive some pretty horrific burns, and there is no part of dragon folklore that says that anyone but a powerful warrior will be instantly killed by a dragon's breath. As for dragons overall- Their pretty good solos, generally at least as powerful as their level suggests. The black dragon in particular is more deadly than it should be- I played against one with a party of 5 at 3rd level. Result- inevitable TPK (unless you run away, which the Ranger did). With a cloud of darkness for an effective +5 to all defences, and all sorts of nasty attacks with ongoing damage, our party could never expect to beat that thing. In fact, has anyone here ever fought/run a dragon and found it to be lacking in 'beef'? [/QUOTE]
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