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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4729694" data-attributes="member: 11821"><p>Have you played 4e in a difficult adventure? Or is this speculation based on a belief that more hps always means less dying?</p><p></p><p>My 4e games are fairly lethal. I've had a number of PC deaths, and a number of near-death experiences. The death rate has been as high as it was in 3e, anyway, if not higher. (But, to be fair, neither 3e nor 4e are anywhere near as lethal as my 1e game.)</p><p></p><p>Bringing this back to the OP, a 3rd level party facing a 15th level solo dragon is totally and completely <em>hosed.</em> No, the dragon can't bleed off all the party's HPs in a single round. But quite seriously there's almost nothing the PCs can expect to do to hurt the dragon, and the dragon will have absolutely no trouble whatsoever hurting them. HPs and damage dice are only half of the equation. The other half is Defenses and Attack Rolls - and a huge disparity there will ruin a party's chances much more than a sack of HPs will.</p><p></p><p>Dragons have no problem flame-broiling peasants in a single round. The PCs are not your average peasants, though. I think that's a feature, not a bug.</p><p></p><p>-O</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 4729694, member: 11821"] Have you played 4e in a difficult adventure? Or is this speculation based on a belief that more hps always means less dying? My 4e games are fairly lethal. I've had a number of PC deaths, and a number of near-death experiences. The death rate has been as high as it was in 3e, anyway, if not higher. (But, to be fair, neither 3e nor 4e are anywhere near as lethal as my 1e game.) Bringing this back to the OP, a 3rd level party facing a 15th level solo dragon is totally and completely [I]hosed.[/I] No, the dragon can't bleed off all the party's HPs in a single round. But quite seriously there's almost nothing the PCs can expect to do to hurt the dragon, and the dragon will have absolutely no trouble whatsoever hurting them. HPs and damage dice are only half of the equation. The other half is Defenses and Attack Rolls - and a huge disparity there will ruin a party's chances much more than a sack of HPs will. Dragons have no problem flame-broiling peasants in a single round. The PCs are not your average peasants, though. I think that's a feature, not a bug. -O [/QUOTE]
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