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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 4279817" data-attributes="member: 704"><p>I will take issue with that for two reasons. First, your talking about casual gamers, not newbs. I learned how to play D&D 'Cold'. Having never before played and having no friends who played, I learned how to play D&D by buying the books and reading them.</p><p></p><p>The second point is that a Noob / Casual Player will sit at a table and play the game if someone can bring them up to speed quickly. And what does a Noob need to learn to play 4th edition? If you hand them a pre-generated character, they only need to learn 7 things.</p><p></p><p>1) Nearly every roll will be 1d20 + Lvl / 2 + Modifiers.</p><p>2) Their character AC, and Fort / Ref / Will Defense</p><p>3) About 5-6 Class powers (At will / Encounter / Daily / Inherent class features)</p><p>4) The character can perform a Minor / Move / Standard action every round</p><p>5) How to use an Action Point</p><p>6) Healing Surges and 2nd Wind</p><p>7) How to make a saving throw (1-10 bad, 11 - 20 good)</p><p></p><p>If you are going to do a 'cold bootstrap' of the player, and have them create their character from scratch, they need to learn a little bit more.</p><p></p><p>7) Race and Class Selection</p><p>8) Weapon selection and Proficiency modifiers</p><p>9) Skill, Feat and Class power selection.</p><p></p><p>And if the Newb is the first guy of his circle of friends to buy the books and learn the game:</p><p>X) How to DM.</p><p></p><p>Every other element of the game is going to be handled by the Dm (triggering Opportunity Attacks, implementing combat advantage, and the like).</p><p></p><p>Pure Casual gamers will never learn the game cold. But for both casual gamers and dedicated newbs, this edition is probably the easiest to learn. There is not 100+ pages of spells to sift through. There is no need to figure out what your iterative attacks are. Learning how to 'shift' is easier than learning how to use 5 ft Step. Grab is easier than Grapple.</p><p></p><p>And the work of running the game in play is also easier. No tracking of spell durations. All effects are ongoing until you save. No tracking of HP for pure cannon fodder, assuming you used minions. You have, for the first time, clear directives on how to create a level appropriate encounter, as well as guidelines on how to ensure that the monster is appropriate. (chose a total XP appropriate to the level of the party. use monsters close in level to the players). No need to count rounds until a rechargeable ability is used. Just roll a dice and if it hits high enough, you can use it.</p><p></p><p>Between 2nd, 3rd and 4th Edition, 4th appears to be the easiest to learn so far. Having never played anything prior to 1st edition, I cannot speak to the ease of learning for those.</p><p></p><p>END COMMUNICATION</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord Zardoz, post: 4279817, member: 704"] I will take issue with that for two reasons. First, your talking about casual gamers, not newbs. I learned how to play D&D 'Cold'. Having never before played and having no friends who played, I learned how to play D&D by buying the books and reading them. The second point is that a Noob / Casual Player will sit at a table and play the game if someone can bring them up to speed quickly. And what does a Noob need to learn to play 4th edition? If you hand them a pre-generated character, they only need to learn 7 things. 1) Nearly every roll will be 1d20 + Lvl / 2 + Modifiers. 2) Their character AC, and Fort / Ref / Will Defense 3) About 5-6 Class powers (At will / Encounter / Daily / Inherent class features) 4) The character can perform a Minor / Move / Standard action every round 5) How to use an Action Point 6) Healing Surges and 2nd Wind 7) How to make a saving throw (1-10 bad, 11 - 20 good) If you are going to do a 'cold bootstrap' of the player, and have them create their character from scratch, they need to learn a little bit more. 7) Race and Class Selection 8) Weapon selection and Proficiency modifiers 9) Skill, Feat and Class power selection. And if the Newb is the first guy of his circle of friends to buy the books and learn the game: X) How to DM. Every other element of the game is going to be handled by the Dm (triggering Opportunity Attacks, implementing combat advantage, and the like). Pure Casual gamers will never learn the game cold. But for both casual gamers and dedicated newbs, this edition is probably the easiest to learn. There is not 100+ pages of spells to sift through. There is no need to figure out what your iterative attacks are. Learning how to 'shift' is easier than learning how to use 5 ft Step. Grab is easier than Grapple. And the work of running the game in play is also easier. No tracking of spell durations. All effects are ongoing until you save. No tracking of HP for pure cannon fodder, assuming you used minions. You have, for the first time, clear directives on how to create a level appropriate encounter, as well as guidelines on how to ensure that the monster is appropriate. (chose a total XP appropriate to the level of the party. use monsters close in level to the players). No need to count rounds until a rechargeable ability is used. Just roll a dice and if it hits high enough, you can use it. Between 2nd, 3rd and 4th Edition, 4th appears to be the easiest to learn so far. Having never played anything prior to 1st edition, I cannot speak to the ease of learning for those. END COMMUNICATION [/QUOTE]
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