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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4282523" data-attributes="member: 2067">The weirdness here, for me, is that you needed 4e's powers to show you this.I look at some of my 2e characters and see this, and I can't even really remember what use paladins had for Cha in 2e aside from needing a lot to be able to take the class.4e is not, for me at least, telling me anything new when it says "A high STR means that you hit things. You might be belligerent or aggressive or beefcake or some sort of dinosaur man. A high CHA means that you are persuasive. You might be suave or sexy or smoove or some sort of medieval Tom Cruise."Those are archetypes, they exist for me before I even worry about what class to choose, and I know the class can add some dimension to the archetype: as a paladin, the high STR guy beats up evil guys like Superman. The high CHA guy is probably like one of those eerily friendly Mormons.I look at 4e's Paladin powers and see: "Damage and move. Damage and condition. Damage. Damage and healing." The same thing I see with every other class power out there, though there are minor subtle changes here and there that a good DM can call out in play.</blockquote>