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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sinecure" data-source="post: 4283717" data-attributes="member: 37668">Yep, reductio ad absurdum.  That's the latin name for the argument type I used to point out the illogic of yours.  And by the way, it's not a narrative until it's repeated after the interactions are completed.  Narratives are by definition retellings.Now, are you seriously assuming a referee isn't assisted by rules to roleplay the world?  That's a huge job to remember for consistency if you choose not to use rules whatsoever.So you had no interactions with the world, only PCs?  Or did you just make it all up as you went along to hell with any logical consistency?I didn't say it did.  I'm saying, based on their first adventure, they are making very, very poor adventure modules.As there's not, I'll just say it's because they don't care about roleplaying one way or the other.  I think folks are into the minis games and kind of oblivious as to how it requires one to think out of character.  (the opposite of roleplaying fyi)Actually, the weren't.  And more importantly, neither is D&D.  Let's just call this Major Fallacy #2.  Another one en vogue at the moment.  D&D is about being a hero.Not trying to be obnoxious, just trying to get my point across.  I don't know what you meant if you actually believe RPG rules have no role in regards to roleplaying.  That's Major Fallacy #1 again.  (known in indie circles as system doesn't matter)  And yes, all the editions of D&D are roleplaying games.  It just so happens 4e places the least priority in its rules on roleplay.I am 100% on board as a commercial endeavor.  Miniatures simply make more profit.  As to what makes a good roleplaying game, DDM repeatedly removes one from behaving in character throughout play.  (Not good for an RPG)And honestly, what is this adventure doing making encounters for DMs?  It's like it is telling them to railroad the PCs.  Modules are fluid.  You can't predict who will be where during design, before play even begins.  Old designs didn't fall into this trap.  As if the world doesn't change depending on the PCs actions.  Sheesh.Again, this ain't a problem for me.  It's the product that has problems when used in an incorrect manner.If strategy can be minimized when to take an "extended rest" (and let's face it, this edition is all about minimization), then there is strategy in that adventure.  Tomb of Horrors is also widely regarded as one of the shining examples of adventure design for high level play.  That high level adventures have turned into the worst designs as of late bodes poorly for the hobby.  You really should take a look at it again.  Only the best players will be able to beat it.  I'm afraid your opinion may be clouding your judgement, but as it is so central to the core philosophy of D&D, I can't understand how you could hate it and yet enjoy this game.</blockquote>

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