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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 4284841" data-attributes="member: 23977">Partialy agree, but dissagree in a way. 3e was tough to tinker with endlessly because it was a Jenga game. Change one piece and the whole thing is in danger of collapsing.Add onto that they also seemed to do their best at hiding their code, so your Linux comparison is WAY off base in my opinion... You could clearly see they had a pattern to things, but it wasn't always easy to figure it out. Ohhhhh NOW you tell em that undead is supposed to ALWAYS be imune to x attacks, etc... OH NOW you tell me that classes all have a different TYPE of BAB progression which factors into their balancing act... 3e tried to do 2 things.1. Standardize the rules so that the endless rules arguments/ confusion would be answered. 2. Allow for options that people complained D&D lacked The problem was they did so by trying to basically think up EVERY option you could want and apply a rule to it. This lead to not nessearily rules complexity, but overbearingness.It wasn't particularily HARD to learn to play 3e... it just took a lot of memorization. I whole heartedly dissagree with this statement.They give you the work. They say, here is how we designed monsters. Here are the way you set up their attacks their defenses... Their powers. here's the damage they will do by level based on the attacks. Here's everything you need to tinker away and make your own game without having to worry about breaking it because you missed the hidden pattern.It sets up the game so you can play it (which most people I'd say want to do) but also makes toying with it a snap.3e basically said, hey instead of making your own stuff, just copy ours and change it a bit. You won't be able to figure out the patterns and you'll mess stuff up if you don't. (check out the section on making new races or classes... this is pretty much what it says!)Again I dissagree. The 4e rules take into account the kinds of things they found people tend to actually USE at the game table. In addiiton to that, however, they also give you the tools needed to handle things that are not as common. It allows you to have options, but doesn't become overbearing in order to do so.It's not simplistic. It's just clear cut.To follow your computer theme... 3e was like Windows or Mac OS... It's made to be what it is. You CAN change it, but doing so without knowing a LOT about the system (with that info only being given to a select few, or those with the time/ability to reverse engineer it) has a LOT of potential hazzards.</blockquote>

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