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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sinecure" data-source="post: 4291030" data-attributes="member: 37668">Just wanted to pop in and say yeah, that is pretty much me and my group as I understand it.  No offense taken. I've pretty much stopped coming here as there's a moratorium on badmouthing the new edition and I get that.  As to why 2E works is because it requires a DM.  And the potential faults you listed with it are pretty much only there when you got a sucky DM.  If they are mean or unfair, they're not fit to be in the DM's chair.  It's a place of honor, right? The other problem is one of communication, but that is learned through time.  It's not like you leave your players hanging if they don't understand something you've been trying to make clear.  Not everything is smoke and mirrors.  And I think it's easier to understand the world when it's more like our own.  We all share a pretty big chunk of common knowledge about how the world works, so why not use that?  The whole part of "getting it" is the same as the exploration half of the game the Forgies talk about.  It's part of the game, why get rid of it?  Behaving like you're an elf is more fun in a world that knows you're an elf.And yes, I know roleplaying isn't for everyone.  But combat system isn't a substitution.  Or an either/or proposition.  There's a good one in 2E.Subsystems are there to help you make a believable world.  Like I said earlier, not everything on earth relates on a direct 1-20 relationship.  It's boring.  At least they kept the damage rolls for you guys.  Think how dull a flat #'d damage score would be for weapons.Yeah, the simulation of the world is a battlegrid thing just makes sense.    When you "go have fun stormin' the castle", do you just kick in the door and expect everything to be honky dory?  It takes some actual skill to figure out how to beat it.  If you could just go in the front door and be assured you won't die, then the castle guard is pretty dumb.  And I'd argue so was the author of the adventure.  Can you see how slicing things up into perfectly proportioned battles gets dull pretty quick?  Especially when there's little to nothing else going on in that castle?  The whole game depends upon varying tactics to hold the players attention, so they don't notice nothing else is really that interesting.  That nothing is going on for the DM to actually PLAY.  They only run combat tactics.  That's how KotS looks to me.  Like no one will think twice about actually running headlong into the front door and slaughtering every evil monster to a man.  No one left standing. How many 4E gaming groups will win the module that way?  I disagree these are multiple playstyle rules.</blockquote>

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