D&D 4E 4e Legends & Lore: Stats for Gods or ?

[A'koss]

I voted no, but if Wizards were to come out with a Deities and Demigods book that had it's own rules for divine stats/combat for beings on another order of power than mere mortals, then I would be interested. From a mortal's perspective, they should be all but untouchable in direct combat, but you could tackle them obliquely (killing their followers, destroying their places of power and artifacts to weaken them).

But more importantly, I rather see the gods churches, followers, most powerful servants, etc...

 

[A'koss]

I voted yes. Just because I tend to use the stats as the avatar(if needed). Besides thoughs players off when they think they can kill a god because he has stats.

Personally, I don't like the idea of Avatars. If you manage to defeat one, the victory is hollow at best. I prefer unique & powerful followers/monsters who possess divinely invested powers who are their ultimate representatives outside their native planes. If a god decides to make an appearance, it should be a campaign defining moment and not just another critter's head to mount on your wall...

 

[EricNoah]

It's the kind of book I probably wouldn't buy either way, so I won't begrudge anyone their deity stats.

If I were buying it, deity stats wouldn't be needed. I would rather see stats for a couple of different levels of "typical worshipper" and different kinds of minions. Plus special spells that are unique to the religion.

 

[Agamon]

I'm with Eric. I don't like stats for gods, personally, but if you want your 4E Deities and Demigods, good on ya.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I would rather no stats and tons of details about things that will matter more in most people's games: Holy days, holy books, the names (or even some examples) of prayers, rules for clerics in the faith, descriptions of temples, details on church hierarchy, and so on.

Heck, do it Monster Manual style, with one faith per page. Include mythic religions, D&D generic gods (the racial gods, etc.) and more.

 

[takasi]

Stats for extremely epic encounters (level 30+) describing new mechanics that can be put in any game? Yes.

Generic dogma, followers, temples, holy days, prayers, etc to shoehorn into homebrews? No.

For 4th edition, I already have the latter for Forgotten Realms (and a little for Eberron). If they want to republish them, do them as campaign sourcebooks, not as generic D&D books please.

Not that I would use the former often, but it's nice to have for a new ruleset.

 

[JustinA]

So should 4th edition have stats for gods? Legends & Lore seems to be one of the books that gets an update in every edition so I imagine we'll see one, especially since Greyhawk is getting the boot as default and mention was made of using other popular mythology (perhaps due to shows like Rome?).

I hope we see a set of rules for playing gods adapted from the old Primal Order sourcebooks.

And if we don't see it from WotC, I intend to make sure it happens myself.

Justin Alexander
http://www.thealexandrian.net

 

[Glyfair]

I don't really mind having stats for Gods, and it wouldn't surprise me if we see them again.

Only thing is, if you do stats, just don't neglect all the other important information. Followers, temples, dogma, etc. That's MORE important than the stats. Some campaigns may want to kill the Gods, and that's fine, but even more will want the fluff type information.

I agree. I want stats for gods as an option. I still want the book to be more about their worshipers than about the gods.

Exception: If they include samples myths for each god, then I'm OK with slightly more focus on the gods.

 

[JoeGKushner]

I hope we see a set of rules for playing gods adapted from the old Primal Order sourcebooks.

And if we don't see it from WotC, I intend to make sure it happens myself.

Justin Alexander
http://www.thealexandrian.net

I thought that the guy bought back the Primal Order license and was pretty much sitting on it?

 

[Shemeska]

God stats are useless in the vast majority of games, and they devour page space that might otherwise be used for actually useful detail on various gods, their goals, followers, history, etc.

At most give us abbreviated stats for avatars/aspects. Please God, let us avoid a repeat of 3e D&DG because there's a reason people lament it as somewhere between a hideous turkey of a book, and a lost opportunity for something that could have been much better, and much more relevant to the game. Something more in line with either the FR trilogy of deity books from 2e, or On Hallowed Ground would be an amazing thing to see in 4e.