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[4E Players, mainly] Ever thought of defecting to Pathfinder?
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<blockquote data-quote="samursus" data-source="post: 5430044" data-attributes="member: 64280"><p>Interesting question, and I won't take it in any way except the spirit it was intended. Short answer: No, a thousand times, no.</p><p></p><p>I left D&D after trying 3.0 and then 3.5. After being weaned on B/E then BECMI, I dabbled in 1st and 2nd Edition AD&D. I just didn't have the time to DM 3.5 and the IMO train wreck it became. I hated the CoDZilla and iterative attacks. I hated trying to run monsters that had the same stat block as PC's. I hated the X-mas tree effect.</p><p></p><p>I love 4e, and Essentials. I know its not for everyone, but for me, its what brought me back to D&D as a paying customer after 7 or so years of nothing.</p><p></p><p>Now, I have nothing against Paizo. I like their AP's and have bought a couple game aid products from them. I have a bit of a pet peeve with something:</p><p></p><p>rant\ </p><p></p><p>Certain gamers keep holding up Paizo as some sort of RPG messiah. They are a company. A business. Whose recent success is built upon the effort and money of the company that everyone loves to demonize. Like other's have said better than I, give them time... they will eventually piss off some of their fan base. They are in it to make money. Sure, I believe you when you say they love what they do. Well, guess what... so do the people at WotC. You don't get into this field to make big money, or have job security. I am happy at their success, but hardly think they are the innovators or driving force behind the hobby. For that you need someone to take risks, bring in new players and new ideas. And sometimes those risks don't pan out. I don't know if thats the case with WotC (truthfully, no one on here knows, or is willing to talk) but ultimately I am willing to wait and see before I jump ship. If there was no WotC, there would have been no Paizo.</p><p></p><p>/rant</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="samursus, post: 5430044, member: 64280"] Interesting question, and I won't take it in any way except the spirit it was intended. Short answer: No, a thousand times, no. I left D&D after trying 3.0 and then 3.5. After being weaned on B/E then BECMI, I dabbled in 1st and 2nd Edition AD&D. I just didn't have the time to DM 3.5 and the IMO train wreck it became. I hated the CoDZilla and iterative attacks. I hated trying to run monsters that had the same stat block as PC's. I hated the X-mas tree effect. I love 4e, and Essentials. I know its not for everyone, but for me, its what brought me back to D&D as a paying customer after 7 or so years of nothing. Now, I have nothing against Paizo. I like their AP's and have bought a couple game aid products from them. I have a bit of a pet peeve with something: rant\ Certain gamers keep holding up Paizo as some sort of RPG messiah. They are a company. A business. Whose recent success is built upon the effort and money of the company that everyone loves to demonize. Like other's have said better than I, give them time... they will eventually piss off some of their fan base. They are in it to make money. Sure, I believe you when you say they love what they do. Well, guess what... so do the people at WotC. You don't get into this field to make big money, or have job security. I am happy at their success, but hardly think they are the innovators or driving force behind the hobby. For that you need someone to take risks, bring in new players and new ideas. And sometimes those risks don't pan out. I don't know if thats the case with WotC (truthfully, no one on here knows, or is willing to talk) but ultimately I am willing to wait and see before I jump ship. If there was no WotC, there would have been no Paizo. /rant [/QUOTE]
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