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[4E Players, mainly] Ever thought of defecting to Pathfinder?
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<blockquote data-quote="Prestidigitalis" data-source="post: 5430294" data-attributes="member: 74496"><p>This might sound a bit "ditto"-ish at this point, but you did ask...</p><p></p><p>No. I would play Pathfinder if there were no 4e, but there is.</p><p></p><p>I like 4e. I love Essentials -- I wish they had gone down the Essentials path from the beginning and regret them walking away from it now, if indeed they are.</p><p></p><p>There are things that I was skeptical about when 4e first shipped. I didn't like the simplification of skill training ("What do you mean you don't train skills one point at a time???") but have come to accept the new system without thinking. I thought the Wizard class had good fluff mechanics (cantrips and rituals) but was otherwise a bit awkward; I still think that but don't really care because I have so many other classes to play. I thought the Stealth rules were too complex to ever get my head around, but they fixed them. 4e is a fine system.</p><p></p><p>There <em>have</em> been some disheartening developments recently: missteps with the CB, news about product cancellations, and the general incoherence of WotC's PR. But come on -- there is a <em>lot</em> of material available. </p><p></p><p>Overall, I would say that 4e is in better shape today than 3e or 3.5e were at the end of their runs. WotC never did fix the problem with monster stat blocks, or the balance issues with multiclass and prestige class dipping, or the CoDzilla, or the overly complex skill system, or the paucity of feat slots, or the weirdness of spending XP to craft magic items, or... Well, insert your favorite pet peeve. By contrast, 4e has been streamlined and improved in significant ways since its launch.</p><p></p><p>This thread is actually better than some of the others posted recently, in that it asks a question the people at WotC are probably asking themselves. But the fact is, WotC is stuck with 4e for the time being, and what they do with D&D in the next few years will be all about 4e. No amount of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremlinology" target="_blank">Kremlinology</a> will ever change that fact.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Prestidigitalis, post: 5430294, member: 74496"] This might sound a bit "ditto"-ish at this point, but you did ask... No. I would play Pathfinder if there were no 4e, but there is. I like 4e. I love Essentials -- I wish they had gone down the Essentials path from the beginning and regret them walking away from it now, if indeed they are. There are things that I was skeptical about when 4e first shipped. I didn't like the simplification of skill training ("What do you mean you don't train skills one point at a time???") but have come to accept the new system without thinking. I thought the Wizard class had good fluff mechanics (cantrips and rituals) but was otherwise a bit awkward; I still think that but don't really care because I have so many other classes to play. I thought the Stealth rules were too complex to ever get my head around, but they fixed them. 4e is a fine system. There [I]have[/I] been some disheartening developments recently: missteps with the CB, news about product cancellations, and the general incoherence of WotC's PR. But come on -- there is a [I]lot[/I] of material available. Overall, I would say that 4e is in better shape today than 3e or 3.5e were at the end of their runs. WotC never did fix the problem with monster stat blocks, or the balance issues with multiclass and prestige class dipping, or the CoDzilla, or the overly complex skill system, or the paucity of feat slots, or the weirdness of spending XP to craft magic items, or... Well, insert your favorite pet peeve. By contrast, 4e has been streamlined and improved in significant ways since its launch. This thread is actually better than some of the others posted recently, in that it asks a question the people at WotC are probably asking themselves. But the fact is, WotC is stuck with 4e for the time being, and what they do with D&D in the next few years will be all about 4e. No amount of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremlinology"]Kremlinology[/URL] will ever change that fact. [/QUOTE]
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