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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 5430318" data-attributes="member: 59082">In case this is a backhanded remark towards me, what I'm talking about has nothing to do with "spite" or "indignation for some imagined offense." I think I've been pretty clear on that. It doesn't have to be either/or, jbear - either engage and support all aspects of society or withdraw from society completely. That is kind of like saying either one should be a celibate monk or have orgies with prostitutes - there are many variations of middle ground! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />By way of example, I have been a vegan or vegetarian for most of my life - starting when I was 16 (I'm 37 now). I work at a boarding high school that serves organic meals; the cook is very conscientious about where he gets the food from, especially the meat. Over the last couple years I have been eating some fish and, on occasion, chicken. While as a long-term vegetarian I realize there are ways to get protein I have felt strong cravings for meat and feel that I am stronger physically with some meat in my diet, maybe twice a week. My older, 5-year old daughter loves meat and my wife (who has been a vegetarian since she was very young) and I have decided to feed her meat (my 2-year old seems indifferent).In an ideal world I would not eat meat - for various reasons that aren't necessary to get into. But I have found that eating some meat some of the time is beneficial to my - and, more importantly, my daughter's - health. I will not eat meat at McDonald's or at restaurants; I will eat meat that I feel confident has been raised in a relatively sustainable and humane way. The same goes for eggs - I will absolutely not buy conventional (non-free range, non-organic) eggs or usually food at restaurants that has eggs in it (we actually have our own chickens, which produce incredible eggs - it is hard to go back!).We all draw the line somewhere, but it doesn't have to be all or nothing - that's my point. We don't have to be Jain extremists that can barely take a breath for fear that some micro-organism will be harmed, nor do we have to be megacorporations raping and pillaging the earth in the name of the almighty dollar. I try to veer more towards the Jain side of things, with the understanding that extremism of any kind is problematic, to say the least.Of course this is all a bit of tangent <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> To bring it back to RPGs, I would say that I'm one of the fortunate that likes all versions of D&D (including Pathfinder) and consequently don't understand some of the hate (towards a game, no less!) that goes around. That said, I do prefer 4E and, even more so, my own hybridized, house-ruled version, or ideas of a version of 4E.</blockquote>

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