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[4E Players, mainly] Ever thought of defecting to Pathfinder?
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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 5430540" data-attributes="member: 158"><p>I feel similarly to Epametheus; I play both right now (with largely the same group in both) and we're not playing essentials stuff, we're playing Dark Sun and earlier stuff. I'm concerned enough about the quality of DDI that I canceled it two months ago, and unless something changes, I'm not renewing. Their way ahead, now, looks even darker than when I canceled it!</p><p></p><p>For me, Pathfinder scratches a different "itch" than 4E; 4E reminds me more of earlier, pre-3E D&D than Pathfinder does. Pathfinder fixed some (but not all or even most) of the problems I have with 3E, but it does play better, and I would prefer it to 3E. </p><p></p><p>Pathfinder, without doubt, possesses far more customizable options than 4E does, and is better serving for those who have the desire to "tweak" and customize the heck out of their characters. However, I'm not happy with the burden on the DM, nor the need I would feel to have to run an Adventure Path or some such just to mot have to prepare so much prior to a game. I don't have time to spend three hours prepping one NPC the way I used to a few years ago, and I don't want to pick some canned guy out of the Gamemaster Guide and still have to spend time familiarizing myself with him just to have him die in an hour because I forgot he has seven buffs prepared normally.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, I do have a desire to tweak my PC from time to time, and the other guys I play with LOVE Pathfinder, and the other players' comfort with the game brings out roleplaying ability and personal excitement that's worth me tweaking fiddly bits on a PC. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I say, Mercurius, if you have a choice between Pathfinder and 3E, pick Pathfinder, without doubt -- if you and your group are still happy with the main body of work for 4E, use that, and don't worry about voting with your dollar. When they produce products that are crappy to you, and you can't use and don't buy, they'll get the message quickly enough. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Henry, post: 5430540, member: 158"] I feel similarly to Epametheus; I play both right now (with largely the same group in both) and we're not playing essentials stuff, we're playing Dark Sun and earlier stuff. I'm concerned enough about the quality of DDI that I canceled it two months ago, and unless something changes, I'm not renewing. Their way ahead, now, looks even darker than when I canceled it! For me, Pathfinder scratches a different "itch" than 4E; 4E reminds me more of earlier, pre-3E D&D than Pathfinder does. Pathfinder fixed some (but not all or even most) of the problems I have with 3E, but it does play better, and I would prefer it to 3E. Pathfinder, without doubt, possesses far more customizable options than 4E does, and is better serving for those who have the desire to "tweak" and customize the heck out of their characters. However, I'm not happy with the burden on the DM, nor the need I would feel to have to run an Adventure Path or some such just to mot have to prepare so much prior to a game. I don't have time to spend three hours prepping one NPC the way I used to a few years ago, and I don't want to pick some canned guy out of the Gamemaster Guide and still have to spend time familiarizing myself with him just to have him die in an hour because I forgot he has seven buffs prepared normally. On the other hand, I do have a desire to tweak my PC from time to time, and the other guys I play with LOVE Pathfinder, and the other players' comfort with the game brings out roleplaying ability and personal excitement that's worth me tweaking fiddly bits on a PC. :) I say, Mercurius, if you have a choice between Pathfinder and 3E, pick Pathfinder, without doubt -- if you and your group are still happy with the main body of work for 4E, use that, and don't worry about voting with your dollar. When they produce products that are crappy to you, and you can't use and don't buy, they'll get the message quickly enough. :) [/QUOTE]
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