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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5430873" data-attributes="member: 54877">So much in my initial response that is better off not said. Let's just note that here and leave it unsaid ... As for Pathfinder, they are about the last choice I would pick, out of the reasonably decent, or better, games available to me. (Again, leaving unsaid that list of games that don't make that minimum criteria.) I finally dropped my long-running subscription to Dungeon because of Pazio. I gave them a fair shot, and as near as I could tell, they continued down the road that I had already seen previously, one I had no interest in. With them, it finally reached the point where I didn't even want to read an adventure, much less run it.  When and if 4E becomes something I don't want to do, I'll be spending more time with, in no particular order: D&D Rules Cyclopedia, Arcana Evolved running Ptolus (the only reason I will bother with any d20 ruleset), Burning Wheel, Runequest, Dragon Quest, Fantasy Hero, GURPS, and/or Mouse Guard. In extremis, I might even go with some version of Rolemaster. If all that falls through for some bizarre reasons, and I don't merely throw up my hands and switch to MMORPG and give up roleplaying, then I might play PF. Maybe. More likely, I'll write my own system and play that, or someone else will have written something that catches my eye by then. Or I'll be in the nursing home, and it won't matter.  If that seems harsh, well, I really did cut out a lot more that was stronger. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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