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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SkullThrone" data-source="post: 5478279" data-attributes="member: 96083">I'm pretty much running 5e, to be honest having played 4e since the first materials hit the web, I've patched most of the holes I've seen before WotC did, but I think they have done most of my changes in their core books now, at least to some degree.I have to be honest, I've considered switching to PathFinder...I too really enjoy 4e, but mostly as a DM I find the system sort of flawed and time consuming at the core.  Every battle (if its level appropriate) takes 60 to 90 minutes, especially if you throw in terrain effects and a good mix of roles on the baddies...most of the time is spent tracking effects and I've known many people that have out-right switched to Ravenloft or Descent (their argument is 4e is so close to a board game they may as well skip the contrived delays and just play a board game).I think 4e is still fun, but it largely (like previous editions) falls onto the DM to make it so.  The problem with 4e is all the rules give the players ground to stand on, and much time is spend arguing rules (mostly afterwards) about calls I made for the sake of play during the session.At Con of the North, I got to play Pathfinder for the first time, and I did witness a lot of the improvements from 3.5.  on top of this every combat was deadly and the DM didn't need to inflate the battles to make them so, they simply were scary.  I did like this.I'm currently running a 4e Campaign and the party is 5th to 6th, the battles seem to drag on at the end, healing surges are consumed at a good clip, but the same sense of fear as the Pathfinder game had simply does not exist.Plus a lot of things WotC has done just frustrates me...there own writers don't seem to understand what Darksun means, their Encounters series seem to continually be 12 encounters written by different people tossed together at the last minute and called an adventure...on top of it I haven't really seen many good 4e adventures that I could use out of the box...most require heavy modifications to avoid obvious questions from the party, or even to make the module make sense, I often piecemeal encounters or write my own to get them to even work as a cohesive module.I plan to stick with 4e for the time being, but I have to admit my recent Pathfinder experience has me missing a lot of the items that 2nd and 3rd editions of the game had.  I did play a 1st edition game at the con as well, and that reminded me of a lot of the things that I definitely am happy later editions "fixed".I think on top of all this Paizo just seems to be more fan focused than WotC, and programmer friendly on top of it.  Like some of the people have stated, to send a message to WotC it may be time to start voting with my wallet.  Honestly, I think I've been loyal to the D&D name for namesake, but I'm not so sure I'll remain this way for long unless they get more fan focused.</blockquote>

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