D&D 4E 4E Sleep Question

[enelson]

Played a game of 4E last night and had fun. The wizard cast sleep on an Orc and some questions were raised.

Here is what I think the correct ruling is but I would appreciate comments:

1. Wizard casts sleep on Orc and "hits". He rolled over the Orc's Defense.
2. The Orc is immediately slowed.
3. At the end of the Orc's turn, Orc rolls to save.
4. Orc fails and falls asleep.
5. At the end of the Orc's next turn, Orc rolls to save to wake up.
6. Orc succeeds and is now awake but still slowed.
7. At the end of the Orc's next turn, Orc rolls to save to not be slow.
8. If the Orc succeeds, he is no longer slowed.
If the Orc fails, he is still slowed but is not back asleep.

is this correct?

Thanks!

Eric

 

[spinmd]

Sleep does not impose a condition track so if the orc makes a save while unconscious, he is no longer under the effect of the spell (i.e., not unconscious or slowed).

 

[spuppett]

Thats how I ruled it.

 

[Mort_Q]

1. Wizard casts sleep on Orc and "hits". He rolled over the Orc's Defense.
2. The Orc is immediately slowed.
3. At the end of the Orc's turn, Orc rolls to save.
4. Orc fails and falls asleep.
5. At the end of the Orc's next turn, Orc rolls to save to wake up.
6. Orc succeeds and is now awake but still slowed.
7. At the end of the Orc's next turn, Orc rolls to save to not be slow.
8. If the Orc succeeds, he is no longer slowed.
If the Orc fails, he is still slowed but is not back asleep.

Like this.

 

[Vayden]

Close, but not quite - it actually goes like this:

1. Wizard casts sleep on Orc and "hits". He rolled over the Orc's Defense.
2. The Orc is immediately slowed.
3. At the end of the Orc's turn, Orc rolls to save.
4. Orc fails and falls asleep.
5. Rogue coup-de-grace's Orc, Orc dies.

 

[Mort_Q]

Close, but not quite - it actually goes like this:

Shhhhh.... that's just going to start the do they or don't they wake up when they take damage arguments.

 

[GorTeX]

The Slowed effect and the Sleep effect are seperate (it's save ends on each of them, not save ends both).

So, this is how it would go:
1. Wizard casts sleep on Orc and "hits". He rolled over the Orc's Defense.
2. The Orc is immediately slowed.
3. At the end of the Orc's turn, Orc rolls to save.
4. Orc fails and falls asleep.
5. At the end of the Orc's next turn, Orc rolls to save to wake up. Orc rolls to save to end Slowed
6. Orc succeeds on the wake up save, but fails the slow save and is now awake but still slowed.
7. At the end of the Orc's next turn, Orc rolls to save to not be slow.
8. If the Orc succeeds, he is no longer slowed.
If the Orc fails, he is still slowed but is not back asleep.

So the orc will be slowed for 1 round,
and could be (depending on the results of the 2 saves..note that you only fall asleep if you fail the 1st saving throw).

asleep and slowed
asleep and not slowed
awake and slowed
Awake and not slowed

 

[Seeker_of_Truth]

The Slowed effect and the Sleep effect are seperate (it's save ends on each of them, not save ends both).

So, this is how it would go:
1. Wizard casts sleep on Orc and "hits". He rolled over the Orc's Defense.
2. The Orc is immediately slowed.
3. At the end of the Orc's turn, Orc rolls to save.
4. Orc fails and falls asleep.
5. At the end of the Orc's next turn, Orc rolls to save to wake up. Orc rolls to save to end Slowed
6. Orc succeeds on the wake up save, but fails the slow save and is now awake but still slowed.
7. At the end of the Orc's next turn, Orc rolls to save to not be slow.
8. If the Orc succeeds, he is no longer slowed.
If the Orc fails, he is still slowed but is not back asleep.

So the orc will be slowed for 1 round,
and could be (depending on the results of the 2 saves..note that you only fall asleep if you fail the 1st saving throw).

asleep and slowed
asleep and not slowed
awake and slowed
Awake and not slowed

This is correct.

 

[spinmd]

Upon rereading the Sleep spell, Gortex's explanation makes sense and I agree with it.

 

[enelson]

Based on these responses, there seems to be a disagreement between the correct ruling. Does WOTC have an official ruling?

How are others saving vs Sleep in their games?