4th ed -- yeah, but are you actually ready to leave behind the 3rd?

[Agamon]

- Oh, and I am sick of hearing how great 4e is going to be in all these threads.

Hmmm. I must need to dig a bit deeper to find all of these 4E fanboi posts. According to this poll, few people are excited by the prospect, and really, we have no legit info to be exicited about anyway.

 

[Nomad4life]

Meh. Unless 4E is exactly like True20, only somehow even more improved, I don't think I'll even bother flipping through it.

 

[Old_Man_Fish]

I'm one of the 'non-responsive types' for this poll, 'cause I didn't see what i feel. I'd need to see what 4e looked like before jumping ship. But if you mean "would you jump if you liked the look of the new waters?", then by all means yes. But if I didn't like the waters, I could see sticking with 3.5. (or C&C )

Geleg

QFT

 

[Ranger REG]

This is true. I was referring to the fact that the SRD is useful to individual gamers as a resource.

True, but that's its secondary purpose. The primary purpose of the SRD is to provide third parties the "source codes" to make their games or support product for D&D/d20.

I don't know if "infinite wisdom" truly goes with "WotC" in one sentence. All I know that it is simply a company with lots of guys butting heads trying to find ways to make the bottom line, with factions that are pro or anti about SRD/OGL. It all boils down to, and what many mercenary players in the game have said in far too many occasions, "What's in it for me?"

Gone are the proponents of the SRD/OGL movements: Ryan Dancey (the leading maestro), Monte Cook (hung up his game designer's bib to take up mainstream writing), etc. So, who's going to step up and continuing the movement inside WotC?

 

[Agamon]

True, but that's its secondary purpose. The primary purpose of the SRD is to provide third parties the "source codes" to make their games or support product for D&D/d20.

As I stated in the next paragraph. This debate was born from pogre's desire as a player to see an SRD, which is useful to both those that use 3rd party products, and those that don't.

I don't know if "infinite wisdom" truly goes with "WotC" in one sentence. All I know that it is simply a company with lots of guys butting heads trying to find ways to make the bottom line, with factions that are pro or anti about SRD/OGL. It all boils down to, and what many mercenary players in the game have said in far too many occasions, "What's in it for me?"

You forgot the "oh so" in front of "infinte wisdom", meanig that their wisdom, IMO, is very finite.

And while a selfish view from players may seem less then altruistic, we as players should think, "What is in it for us?" before looking at what might be in it for others. Yes, it's important to look at all of this as a whole, but if it isn't of any use to you as an individual and potential customer, then what is the point of supporting it?

Gone are the proponents of the SRD/OGL movements: Ryan Dancey (the leading maestro), Monte Cook (hung up his game designer's bib to take up mainstream writing), etc. So, who's going to step up and continuing the movement inside WotC?

Good question. But if, as you say, WotC isn't of one mind with what to do with the SRD, then someone must be supporting it....

 

[Ranger REG]

Good question. But if, as you say, WotC isn't of one mind with what to do with the SRD, then someone must be supporting it....

Yeah, you better hope that someone is winning and dominating the office with regards to the direction WotC will take for D&D.

 

[woodelf]

But, honestly, for all the hopeful discussion of improvements, are you really, truly ready to let go of the current edition and embrace new material? Or are you still in the land of theory and potential?

Yep, i'm totally ready to let go of the current edition and embrace new material. In fact, i've been ready since 2000, and while i played D&D3E a couple years despite my misgivings, i certainly don't plan to again. When i want to play D&D, my PH is Arcana Unearthed or Iron Heroes or Blue Rose (or maybe even Everquest D20, though i haven't played it yet). Of course, that doesn't mean i'm interested in a putative WotC 4E, since their D&D3[.5]E products have generally not interested me, and where there are observable trends, have tended to move in directions opposite to my tastes.

So, i'll gladly talk about what D&D4E should be, but i don't actually expect that, if it happens, i'll have any interest in it.

 

[Herremann the Wise]

Hi Everyone,

I expect 4th Ed. whenever it comes out to be an improvement on what has gone before. I don't have any issues spending money on it nor do I feel that WotC will be trying to ungraciously fleece me of my funds. I also expect that I'll like the improvements enough that I'll wear away at my group's steadfast resolve not to change with some success. Eventually I see us upgrading.

I think a lot of people will be in a similar boat even though at the moment they are saying they would not touch it with a barge pole. For those really passionate about the current edition, I expect that this passion will transfer to 4th quite easily in the end. There will simply be too much curiosity and interest for them. Only those apathetic to D&D or those who have moved on to other systems won't be caught by the perceived WotC "trap".

I suppose what I'm saying is that I see a lot of the closed minds that have appeared on this thread and others given time will eventually open and open wide.

Best Regards
Herremann the Wise

 

[Eldragon]

I am skeptical to say the least, I knew it would come sooner rather than later. WotC needs to turn a profit after all. I bought just about every 3.0 book that came out. Then 3.5 rolled around, yes it fixed a lot of rules, but it also "broke" a lot of my older books. For a while, all WotC came out with for 3.5 was a rehash of the 3.0 material. I felt a little ripped off.

I really dont want to see 4e roll out, only to see 4e versions of books that I already bought in 3.0 AND 3.5 for the first year. Im just not going to do it again. Not without MAJOR mechanic changes that I absolutely love.

If 4e had a solid classless system underpinning the mechanics, I would drop 3.5 and never look back. The only thing I dont like about 3.x is the need for prestiege classes to cover many character concepts well. That way I could create my "Diplomatic Fighter" without resorting to obscure prestiege classes or house rules.

 

[Ranger REG]

So, i'll gladly talk about what D&D4E should be, but i don't actually expect that, if it happens, i'll have any interest in it.

And what if 4e does not interest you, will you be ready to embrace 5e soon?