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<blockquote data-quote="historian" data-source="post: 4061528" data-attributes="member: 13438"><p>Hey U_K! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>I'm not as worried about limiting the number of options as I am the quality, balance and overall "appropriateness" of those options. Whether I use all of them, etc. Candidly most 3.X monsters I recall had only one or two attack variations that were really "combat efficient" in a customary forum. </p><p></p><p>In other words, I would rather have 5 to 6 options I fully explored rather than having 50 options of which I only find 1 or 2 useful 80% of the time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The weight of what I've read absolutely suggests that PCs will be able to challenge deities. </p><p></p><p>However, I roughly remember reading a developer comment that Asmodeus would not join Orcus in the MM because the former was a "god." I think all that was meant is that we should anticipate a supplement outside the MM anthology that details "gods."</p><p></p><p>I'm guessing, and only guessing, that Orcus' inclusion in the MM versus Asmodeus' exclusion has more to do with respective origins rather than power level?</p><p></p><p>Curiously though I have come to regard Orcus as a deity. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="historian, post: 4061528, member: 13438"] Hey U_K! :) I'm not as worried about limiting the number of options as I am the quality, balance and overall "appropriateness" of those options. Whether I use all of them, etc. Candidly most 3.X monsters I recall had only one or two attack variations that were really "combat efficient" in a customary forum. In other words, I would rather have 5 to 6 options I fully explored rather than having 50 options of which I only find 1 or 2 useful 80% of the time. The weight of what I've read absolutely suggests that PCs will be able to challenge deities. However, I roughly remember reading a developer comment that Asmodeus would not join Orcus in the MM because the former was a "god." I think all that was meant is that we should anticipate a supplement outside the MM anthology that details "gods." I'm guessing, and only guessing, that Orcus' inclusion in the MM versus Asmodeus' exclusion has more to do with respective origins rather than power level? Curiously though I have come to regard Orcus as a deity. :p [/QUOTE]
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