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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 4429486" data-attributes="member: 463">Hey guys! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Okay this is Krusty on Tour in London. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Had a great day yesterday playing 4th Edition, the group was playing the climax of Keep on the Shadowfell. Special thanks to Zander (of ENWorld) who was DMing. Due to players being in and out over the past few weeks (of the adventure), none of the PCs were 3rd-level and the new players were only 1st. So with five players (including me) there were 7 characters (Two Level 2 and five Level 1). However I got to see enough of the rules and how the game operates in play. Some thoughts on 4th Edition:After the initial encounter (3 PCs in this one, we only had 7 for the climax) where I was just getting my feet wet as it were (I forgot loads of stuff - like Action Points and we almost had a TPK, although we were playing an encounter designed to be tough for five 2nd-level PCs and we were but two 1st-level PCs: my Dwarf Fighter and a Human Warlord and one Level 2 Warlock), we started to gel as a group.1. A good mix of roles is very important. I know everyone says that, and they are totally correct. In the last battle the cleric and warlord were a necessity - we simply wouldn't have survived without them. They say that because of healing surges you probably don't need a cleric in the party, but many of the fights seemed like a war of attrition, and this is where the cleric really helps.2. Min/maxing is virtually a necessity. You really want a 16 or higher in your primary stat(s), preferably an 18. A 20 would be ideal. 3. The d20 roll is everything. By that I mean you will live or die by it. So you basically want to squeeze every single possible bonus out of your group tactics. With PCs generally only getting one attack, you could easily miss three or four rounds in a row with some bad roles or against higher AC opponents. Fortunately, although combat tends to last lots of rounds (more than 3E) each individual round is a generally quicker.4. Dying is more difficult, but being dropped to 0 hp is going to be a regular occurance. 5. I'd say if you only have 2-3 players, let them each play 2 PCs.6. 'Bosses' can take a long time to drop. I only encountered Elite opponents (no Solo's yet) but they are noticeably tougher. For instance the last boss of the Keep must have taken us at least a dozen rounds from the point where he was alone and surrounded...and it took about twenty rounds to get to that juncture.Things I have learnt as regards 4E Immortals Handbook.A) Missing isn't much fun, especially when you miss with Encounter or Daily powers. Powers which are Reliable or at least have some sort of lessened effect when you Miss are a lot more interesting. I'll post more later - need to go out.</blockquote>

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