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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 4664728" data-attributes="member: 326">Weird thing is happening here - ENWorld is autoposting for me before I get the post finished...Hey guys! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />A tiny ramble as regards the new Size rules.Been thinking that there would be six new sizes.Mega x10...Castle sized monsters (like Godzilla)Giga x1000...Mountain sized monstrousities (like Typhon)Tera x1,000,000...Planet sized creatures (like the Alklha)Peta x10,000,000,000...Solar System sized monstersExa x1E15...Galaxy sized beingsZetta x1E21...Universe sized creaturesHowever, a few niggling issues and ideas.Firstly, the exact sizes are basically going to be irrelevant beyond the secondary rules they each add to the monster.So the whole x1E21 won't make a difference from 1E23 (which is the proper size of our universe, I was just keeping the math ordered.1E1, 1E3, 1E6, 1E10, 1E15, 1E21.Technically a Solar System (based on our own) would be more akin to 1E13, a Galaxy 1E18 and the Universe about 1E23 ish. I could of course forego the ordered math and just institute the above as the supposed base multipliers.Also we could throw in a Sun sized category (1E8) though I am not sure if thats necessary.Tying the sizes to minimum level...Mega @ Level 41, L32 soloGiga @ Level 51, L42 soloTera @ Level 61, L52 soloPeta @ Level 71, L62 SoloExa @ Level 81, L72 soloZetta @ Level 91, L82 soloOkay, so all thats the easy bit. However, conceptually what is a Universe in D&D? I mean is it a demiplane, a layer, a plane, a dimension (now somewhat redundant term in 4E or at least overlapping with the term plane), is it the sum of all the planes/dimensions? Is it the 8th, 9th or 10th dimension.Also, in the past 3E HD constraints couldn't really do very large creatures and I had set the Time Lord at 999 HD. 4E doesn't really require that so I can make the Time Lords Universe sized (since they are sentient universes after all). However, I have pondering the question do I really want to......In the past I simply stated that when one Time Lord appeared in your Universe it did so on a much smaller scale (about 2000 feet tall), and while I certainly plan to up that (probably putting them on the Exa/Galactic scale), I still have difficulty conceptualizing one universe within another without reducing its size.Of course the question might well be, why would one Time Lord ever need to show up in another Universe. They all inhabit the 8th dimension where they can retain 'their own size'. However I think that beyond Universal size represented within the system is ultimately futile, because its the relativity between the creature and celestial bodies that give that sense of scale. For instance, if I were to draw a Time Lord on its own it could conceivably resemble a normal person (albeit one who was the size of the Universe). However, if instead I represent them as Galaxy sized individuals fighting each other with spiral galaxy 'shields' and quasars as 'swords' it becomes a much more evocative image.End ramble...any thoughts?</blockquote>

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