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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 5561058" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hey Rhuarc matey! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd be happy to know they were planning something concrete.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I have a big list of these on a website article I have yet to publish.</p><p></p><p>There are very few epic races though:</p><p></p><p>Abominations</p><p>Apocalypse Spells</p><p>Starspawn</p><p>Forsaken</p><p>Weavers</p><p>Primordials</p><p>Demon Princes</p><p>Arch-devils</p><p>Gods</p><p>Inevitables...maybe</p><p></p><p>To which I'd add stuff like...</p><p></p><p>Archangels</p><p>Umbrals</p><p>Godslayers (Unique Abominations)</p><p>Bi-Sects</p><p>Devoids</p><p>Disir</p><p>Grigori</p><p>Intelligibles</p><p>Lhas</p><p>Sidhe</p><p>Sirians</p><p>Vetala</p><p></p><p>Not to mention things like the more powerful dragons and golems...and thats all before we even get to the Immortal Tier.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The point that everyone seems to have forgotten is that in 3E there was no real 'epic' until the Epic Level Handbook.</p><p></p><p>Whats happened with 4E though is that, for the most part, they have populated the Epic Tier with previously 'non-epic' monsters. Which means you have basic dragons, demons and devils filling places that they really shouldn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The first thing I would do is reduce (virtually*) every monster of level 21+ (in 4E) by 10 levels (ie. an Ancient Red Dragon becomes Level 20)</p><p></p><p>*Named monsters I would probably reduce by 5 levels instead (ie. Orcus becomes level 28).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above, I'd drop everything by 5/10 levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 5561058, member: 326"] Hey Rhuarc matey! :) I'd be happy to know they were planning something concrete. I have a big list of these on a website article I have yet to publish. There are very few epic races though: Abominations Apocalypse Spells Starspawn Forsaken Weavers Primordials Demon Princes Arch-devils Gods Inevitables...maybe To which I'd add stuff like... Archangels Umbrals Godslayers (Unique Abominations) Bi-Sects Devoids Disir Grigori Intelligibles Lhas Sidhe Sirians Vetala Not to mention things like the more powerful dragons and golems...and thats all before we even get to the Immortal Tier. The point that everyone seems to have forgotten is that in 3E there was no real 'epic' until the Epic Level Handbook. Whats happened with 4E though is that, for the most part, they have populated the Epic Tier with previously 'non-epic' monsters. Which means you have basic dragons, demons and devils filling places that they really shouldn't. The first thing I would do is reduce (virtually*) every monster of level 21+ (in 4E) by 10 levels (ie. an Ancient Red Dragon becomes Level 20) *Named monsters I would probably reduce by 5 levels instead (ie. Orcus becomes level 28). See above, I'd drop everything by 5/10 levels. Thanks. [/QUOTE]
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