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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 5567527" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Ahoy there Rhuarc mate! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well lets use the Abyss as an example.</p><p></p><p>You have the Balor at Level 27 Elite and then a 16 level gap to Orcus at 43.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Its possible to make do I suppose.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am sure you have put a lot of thought into it. I had the exact same idea for a year or more into 4th edition. But the more and more I considered it, the more it seemed like a bad idea.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not saying it couldn't work and the last thing I will do is rain on another's parade. But if you are asking my opinion (and by virtue of coming to this forum I assume you are), my suggestion would be to make the most of the Epic Tier rather than start creating more and more tiers.</p><p></p><p>At the moment the epic tier itself is underpopulated with options. But compared to a wholly new tier its a veritable smorgas-board.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Its not a bad idea at all. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On the contrary I think the 'idea' would work. I just think that getting to that point will be a LOT more work than you are bargaining for.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll have something along those lines eventually.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well the Immortals Handbook will be 2 books after the Vampire Bestiary. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have thoughts on a 10-tier system, but I think ultimately 4 will be enough. 5 at the <strong>absolute</strong> limit (and even then there is no way a 5th Tier would be fully fleshed out).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The closer you get to the top of the Pyramid the more power gets condensed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't understand how making Orcus Level 43 (instead of 33) makes anything easier for anyone?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We could design it for our grandchildren.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Thats the current plan, but I do think there are too many feats.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> I'm for the idea that the Epic destinies are powered by Worship Points rather than XP, but I am not sure people will like the idea so I am not sure about that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To start with, just 8. Death, War, Fire and Magic are four of those I have worked on.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The framework is solid yes, but what seems to happen is that the PCs punch vastly above their weight (by about 20% at epic level) which means that the major problem is going to be the tipping point whereby the DM increases the challenge (to give the PCs a good fight) but to the point where the majority of d20 rolls become obsolete.</p><p></p><p>So for instance to challenge a Level 30 party you might need a Level 38 Encounter, but using monsters that high level could result in certain PCs being unable to hit or always getting hit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I meant doing the work to accomodate a higher tier when a lower tier is doing the exact same thing already...is redundant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 5567527, member: 326"] Ahoy there Rhuarc mate! :) :p Well lets use the Abyss as an example. You have the Balor at Level 27 Elite and then a 16 level gap to Orcus at 43. Its possible to make do I suppose. I am sure you have put a lot of thought into it. I had the exact same idea for a year or more into 4th edition. But the more and more I considered it, the more it seemed like a bad idea. I'm not saying it couldn't work and the last thing I will do is rain on another's parade. But if you are asking my opinion (and by virtue of coming to this forum I assume you are), my suggestion would be to make the most of the Epic Tier rather than start creating more and more tiers. At the moment the epic tier itself is underpopulated with options. But compared to a wholly new tier its a veritable smorgas-board. Its not a bad idea at all. On the contrary I think the 'idea' would work. I just think that getting to that point will be a LOT more work than you are bargaining for. I'll have something along those lines eventually. Well the Immortals Handbook will be 2 books after the Vampire Bestiary. I have thoughts on a 10-tier system, but I think ultimately 4 will be enough. 5 at the [B]absolute[/B] limit (and even then there is no way a 5th Tier would be fully fleshed out). The closer you get to the top of the Pyramid the more power gets condensed. I don't understand how making Orcus Level 43 (instead of 33) makes anything easier for anyone? We could design it for our grandchildren. Thats the current plan, but I do think there are too many feats. yes. I'm for the idea that the Epic destinies are powered by Worship Points rather than XP, but I am not sure people will like the idea so I am not sure about that. To start with, just 8. Death, War, Fire and Magic are four of those I have worked on. Indeed. The framework is solid yes, but what seems to happen is that the PCs punch vastly above their weight (by about 20% at epic level) which means that the major problem is going to be the tipping point whereby the DM increases the challenge (to give the PCs a good fight) but to the point where the majority of d20 rolls become obsolete. So for instance to challenge a Level 30 party you might need a Level 38 Encounter, but using monsters that high level could result in certain PCs being unable to hit or always getting hit. Absolutely. I meant doing the work to accomodate a higher tier when a lower tier is doing the exact same thing already...is redundant. [/QUOTE]
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