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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 800385" data-attributes="member: 2020">Yes, it's another 'big' Edena post!   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />FROM BUGBEAR   Something that just occured to me. William Ronald goes last in the order, so he will be able to strike at any undefended positions without fear of retaliation. When the next turn comes around he will have had his armies replenished.   Conversly, I go first in the order, so I can't dare attack another power, because that would leave my positions open to attack by everyone else. I would be basicly Paralyzed.  Basicly, the later you are in the sequence, the greater advantage you have. William is for all intents Invulnirible.  If I am missing something in my Interpetation, please let me know.  FROM EDENA  I could randomize (using dice) the sequence of who goes.  - - -  FROM WILLIAM  Hi, Edena:  It is good to see you back. I hope you are feelign much better.  FROM EDENA  Thank you, my friend.  FROM WILLIAM  I am pretty happy with my claims. I might think of a church or two I might claim.  I am working on a list of churches of Toril, based on the FRCS. It would take maybe two to three days to finish the list. Would you like me to finish it, send you a copy, and this way all the available churches are covered. Let me know how I can be of help.  FROM EDENA  Better yet, just post the unclaimed churches to this thread.  And people can then claim them.  Again, thank you for this effort, William.  FROM WILLIAM  I like the rules, as it will not automatically let someone overwhelm a country. However, some people might be concerned that they are limited by when they respond. Some may view some players early on in the list as highly vulnerable to take, and others well nigh invincible.  So, people, if you have a concern about the rules, post.   Indeed, posting is the key to success in the IR. Your voice is your vote. So post early, and often.  Edena, are you familiar with the computer game Civilization. I know about it a little (maybe someone here knows more.)  I think you might be able to adapt its rules on industrialization and research. (Does anyone here play Civilization.?) I know that they work, and they are based on the real world.  FROM EDENA  Unfortunately, I know nothing about the computer game Civilization.  I do think randomizing the order in which people are called upon to attack is an idea.  WILLIAM  Edena:  How will industrialization work?   FROM EDENA - IMPORTANT  THAT will be a matter of posting.  You won't get any industrialization for free.  You must work with the Silver Cabal, and come up with ideas (and face the consequences of actions), and then the PL of your countries and peoples will increase due to industrialization.  If you post a lot, and you are creative, then your PLs increase.  If you do not post, or simply spend all your posts in making war and battle, your PL won't increase.  TOKIWONG  personally I like to keep it simple... but if the masses demand it.. then so be it... I like the writing, as you can tell, i like to write and get philosophical  FROM EDENA  Your Industrial PL and Magical PL is going to be based on what you post, not on how many points you put into research.  This is not the 3rd IR.  This is the Writing IR.  Those who write, win.  BUGBEAR  Unless Edena is a computer, I don't hink that the Civilization computer game is the best way to regulate the game. We want to keep it simple, not feeblemind him.  FROM EDENA  You mean I'm not already Feebleminded?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  I feel like it, a lot, with the chronic fatigue.  Let's not go by the complicated rules of the Civilization computer game.  I want people to post, and have fun posting (and writing IC).  Not waiting for a week while I resolve how many PL you got from this amount of research in X, and that amount of research in Y.  That is what bedeviled the 3rd IR.                      BUGBEAR  However, I do like the idea of being able to build wonders. Wonders are like feats. For example I build the great wall, which gives me some kind of bonus to defence. Of course, how one insitutes wonders would depend on how the rules would work.  FROM EDENA  Post it.  Write it down.  If your power can do it, I'll say so.  If not, I'll say your effort failed.  MR DRACO  Well, I'm working on a system for handling all the numbers that  a) prevents min/maxing and exponential growth *cough* Union of Worlds *cough*  and   b) is simple  Give me till friday to work on it, and i should have something pretty good.  FROM EDENA  Thank you, Mr. Draco.  The effort is appreciated.  However, I have decided to do this more along the lines of Free-Form (although I am still using my RISK-like system, with randomization of who goes when.)  The LAST thing I want is everyone with 10,000, then 100,000, then 1,000,000 PL, spending it all on research (1,000,000,000,000 PL?)   WILLIAM     I agree that these issues need to be addressed. I look forward to your solution., Mr. Draco.  There is time to discuss some of the issues and make things more enjoyable for everyone.  Everyone, let's thank Edena for his efforts and dedication. If any of us can help him out, let's do it.  On a much more serious matter, one of our EN Board members Mark Clover is having a hard time. Can you go to Where has Mark Been? and offer Mark your support.  FROM EDENA     Will do, William.  My regrets to Mark Clover.  FROM WILLIAM  I have known Mark for sometime, attended the EN World Chicago Gamedays (Do go to the ones in your area, or start one), and helped with some proofreading for him. So, let's be supportive of our fellow board members.  (Going offline. Beginning to fall asleep at the computer.)  FROM EDENA  Will do, William.  KALANYR              Ah, missed the Faeries Festy got. Silly me. . Yep all makes sense. Thanks.  FROM EDENA  np  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />    LICHTENHART  There's also a table Civilization game, with rules much simpler than the computer game. Mr. Draco, if you think it could be useful, I can send you the rules.  I think I'd like to swap a thing or two about my claims. but nothing major.  Edena I'd like to know what do you mean with Pantheons. Are they churches of many deities? And are there dragon deities besides Tiamat in FR?  FROM EDENA  A Pantheon is exactly that - all the deities of a particular country, region, or race.  For example, ALL the Faerunian Deities in the book would count as one Pantheon.  There are other dragon dieties besides Tiamat in FR.  Can't think of them, though ... just know there are.                                            INEZ  Pretty right on William. Orinil is a chaotic neutral who loves gathering secret knowledge and then playing around with people and powers for his own enjoyment (and profit when it won't interfere with the fun). Although selfish, he is not evil and will act for the greater good when push comes to shove - as he believes he is doing by trying to force the casting of the anti-magic dweomer. Mind you, as a non wielder of magic he also won't be too heartbroken if magic ceases to exist.   FROM EDENA  The anti-magic contagion spell would have banished the Red Death.  However, some of you have stated you would quit the IR if it is thrown.  Ah well ... I guess the Red Death is going to stick around?  INEZ  If I understand correctly, the Sharn live in the underdark, yes? If so I would like to recruit any neutral underdark races that have not been claimed yet (in addition to the svirfneblin).   FROM EDENA  The Sharn are indeed an Underdark Race.  I'll look into neutral Underdark Races.  INEZ  Edena (or anyone else), I know nothing about Altumbel, elucidate please.  FROM EDENA  Aglarond is a peninsular nation.  Big nasty Thay sits at the end of the peninsula.  If the Simbul wasn't around, Thay would have stomped Aglarond long ago.  Altumbel is a small nation out at the end of the peninsula that Aglarond dominates.  The people of Altumbel speak Aglarondese, are ethnic Aglarondese, and they depend on Aglarond for protection from Thay and from the pirates of the Sea of Fallen Stars and other threats from that water.    They are a fishing and trading nation.  Primarily human and half-elven.  INEZ  Likewise I have no idea about the Legions of the Past Awakened. Something like 'the spirits of the ancestors'? If so I'm definitely in as they will be a great source of information.   FROM EDENA  There are great numbers of good aligned undead from Netheril, the elven nations of the Arcane Age, the dwarven nations of the Arcane Age, and the Sharn have summoned them all.  There are the Guardians.  These were left behind by those nations to protect their treasures.  The Guardians come in many forms, from monsters to lofty angelic beings to magical constructs to innate manifestations of magic.  There are, indeed, the Ancestors.  The Sharn have been awakening the spirits of those departed, and these spirits have inhabited the bodies of mundane beings (humanoids being a favorite.)  Wielding tremendous power, these spirits desire to work with the Sharn ... preferably to return civilization to battered Faerun.  INEZ  Are there any unclaimed churches whose domains revolve around intrigue, knowledge, secrets, chaos, trickery etc ? The church of Grumbar doesn't really sound up my alley but would fit in with an underdark theme if I can manage secure support.   FROM EDENA  I am not sure.  William is working on this.  I hope he posts the list of unclaimed churches.  INEZ  Are any of the powers from other worlds interested in buying information? Orinil will send out contacts to investigate.  FROM EDENA  ALL the powers from other worlds want information.  You have a glut of information seekers, Inez.  Remember, though, that most of these intend invasion of Toril, so you may be betraying your own world here ...  INEZ  Check out The Adventures of the A-Team. Come on, you know you want to   FROM EDENA  If the A-Team shows up on Toril, a new rule takes effect.  Nobody can kill anyone.  Indeed, it becomes physically impossible for anyone to die.  That might create an interesting situation ...      FORSAKEN ONE  The Church of Auril  The Church of Umberlee  (Both from the Pantheon of Destruction of which Talos is the head)  And the Kingdom of the Ice Queen (Great Glacier) (Evil)  For the rest.. seems just fine to me, bit spread out but.. ah well   FROM EDENA  Forsaken One, the Kingdom of the Ice Queen will not ally with water destroyers - like the Dragon Kings are.  Melkor is going to get them, since they are lawful evil and he is lawful evil.  Auril is about water, and so is Umberlee - they want nothing to do with water destroyers like the Dragon Kings.  That is why I cannot give you these powers.      KALANYR  I'm gonna lose PL on this Inez, but okay, trade agreed.   Rasheman (PL 8) for some Faeries (PL 7)  FROM EDENA  Done.  Kalanyr gets 7 PL in Faerie.  Inez gets Rashemen (PL 8.)                                             - - -   Melkor, Lord Of ALL!     I will also try to claim churches of Loviatar and Talona.  FROM EDENA  Ok, Talona goes to Melkor.  However, Loviatar is already claimed.   FESTY DOG  I'm giving this to Lichtenhart:  The Church of Tyr  FROM EDENA  Ok.  The Church of Tyr goes to Lichtenhart.  FESTY DOG  I'm also claiming:   The Church of Sune  The Church of Tymora  FROM EDENA  Ok.  Unless contested, the Churches of Sune and Tymora go to Festy Dog.  - - -   Melkor, Lord Of ALL!     Sollir, what about an alliance, I have nothing against Infernal Powers, and I quite enjoy Terror and Dread you started to spread.  FROM EDENA  Hold up there.  This is a Claims thread, not the IR proper!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />   FORSAKEN ONE  Edena I'm not feeling comfortable with the forces I got. Therefor I'd like to get rid of most of them and revert back to just a few things. But at least their alegiance makes sense and I can keep in character on how they should be played.   I'd like this better then collecting as much as a can and have more PL.  I'd like to have the following and only the following:  - - - - -  Daugothoth (PL ?)  The Cult of the Dragon (PL 8) (Cult)  The Dracoliches of Faerun (PL 9) (Cult)  The Other Undead Dragons of Faerun (PL 5) (Cult Ally)  The Undead Hordes (PL 7)  The Kingdom of the Ice Queen (the Great Glacier) (evil) (PL ?)  The Cult of Auril (PL ?)  The Church of Auril (PL ?)  The Church of Velsharoon (PL 3)  - - - - -   These are the only claims I make and the only claims I wish. Anything else I won't accept for the sake of staying true to realism in the Realms and to the point where I can RP them properly and underbuild their goals and motivations.  Any territories I control at the moment I reliquish my hold over them and place all my forces at the Great Glacier.   That would be it and I hope that is fine with you because this really is all I wish to play with in this IR.  FROM EDENA  (blinks)  Ok ... that leaves a number of countries up for grabs.  Based on what you are doing, you get the Kingdom of the Ice Queen, Forsaken One (this annuls my previously ruling.)  Daugothoth has a PL of 1 (I haven't yet gone into character PLs.)  The Invaders of Athas are now uncontrolled.  There will be a delay while I give out all the countries that Forsaken One just relinquished.  KALANYR     I'd like to claim   The Church of Sharess if no one else has it. If someone else does have it I'll trade Silvanus for it if they agree.  FROM EDENA  Ok.  Kalanyr has the Church of Sharess.  JANOS  Control  Colors:  Anabstercorian: NA  Bugbear: Lime  CreamSteak: Red  Deel Surool: NA  Mr. Draco: Yellow  Festy Dog: Purple  Forrester: NA  Forsaken One: White  Inez Hull: Blue  Janos Audron: Black  Kalanyr: Silver  Lichtenhart: Cyan  Melkor: Grey  Serpenteye: Brown  Sollir: Green  Timothy: Pink  Tokiwong: Navy  Uvenelei: NA  Venus: Olive  William Ronald: Orange  Zouraon: NA   FROM EDENA  CHEERS!  WE HAVE A MAP!  (but what is the URL?)  - - -  SERPENTEYE   Edena, since I control Amn do I also control their extensive colonies in Maztica?  FROM EDENA  Why not?  Sure thing, Serpenteye.  This will add about another 10 PL to your Roster, and if you start conquering Maztica, you could gain over 100 PL more.  I appreciate the map.  Just need the URL to it!  FORSAKEN ONE                                                                                                   Shade and Phaerimm on 1 side... *laugh* *choke* *cough*, just like that they are gonna put aside that thousand year old fude where they want nothing else then to exterminate eachother and destroy every last trace of eachother from history.  FROM EDENA  Sorry folks, but the Sharn and the Phaerimm cannot be on one side.  That is literally impossible.</blockquote>

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