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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Distracted DM" data-source="post: 9394581" data-attributes="member: 6894926">Two players asked me to run a little arena battle for them with level 20 characters- one has played up to high level before, the other hasn't but is very mechanics+design-minded, and was curious about high levels. I made a few encounters with appropriate cr creatures, first to warm up (some devils, a pit fiend, etc), then more proper stuff (a lich and an iron golem), then... Well, suffice it to say that two level 20 characters stomped the sht out of what they fought- the appropriate "deadly" stuff didn't even scratch them. The second player really has no interest in high level play anymore- he understands why I don't like running tier 3+4 5e. Unless you want to turn your setting on its head just to challenge them, it's just a cakewalk.</blockquote>