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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 9396129" data-attributes="member: 9053">I just wanted to comment on this because it sounds like you think I'm intending to be a jerk or nasty to you and that's 100% not the case.From what I have seen, players aren't complaining about 5E's difficulty being easy mode. I'm sure there are some who are doing that, but it's a very small number. When we discuss 5E difficulty, the time I see players complain is when the DM pulls out house rules to make the game harder. Now there are people who want a real sense of "combat is war" and "anything I do could kill my character." And they typically don't play 5E because that's not what the game is about. The OSR has built an entire ecosystem around that style of play. And for players who want to split the difference, there is always Shadowdark.From the perspective of the DM, I can really see the issue where 5.5E is going to be more challenging to run in person. I just also know that there are ways to make that work out, coming from years of playing 4E and having to deal with status effects on multiple characters almost every single battle. I hope the DMG will be helpful in that regard. But until you get those tricks down, it's going to be more difficult.From the perspective of the DM not being able to challenge players, I can only report from actual games I'm playing in and games I've run. I play in two 5E games. In both cases, the DMs would probably agree with you that us players sometimes get away with too much. But they'd also say that they have had us on the ropes in key battles multiple times. It's all a question of balancing things better, which is a skill you learn for each party you run.For me, the campaign I ran was Strahd, and I had the party running ragged each and every day. I made sure to give them some actual wins to make them realize they were doing something positive but they lost so much over the course of the game. They still tell stories about it years later.So I'm not trying to minimize anything you're saying. I'm not dismissing it (I try not to dismiss anyone on Enworld) I just will say that we're going to have to see how the new edition shakes out to understand if it's more or less difficult. And as to players being upset, I think that's an issue to resolve with discussion between everyone involved.Apologies for any upset caused.</blockquote>

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