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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8864673" data-attributes="member: 18">Have you considered that many of those other games have different audiences? And the games with more similar audiences have made similar changes. You'll notice Paizo got rid of slavery in Golarion for PF2, for example. Comparing some edgy OSR game with a few thousand regular players to D&D with tens of millions may not be very helpful.Also 5E's audience skews hard Gen Z, and hard to the "socially conscious". This is easy to see from WotC's age figures and from discussions of D&D among younger people (I read some particularly eye-widening discussion of "how Paladins behave" among some 20-somethings lately - suffice to say EGG would turning in his grave, pro-paladin-committed-genocide as he was - at one point the conclusion was reached that Devotion and Ancients Paladins would "probably be vegan" even because of their oaths, lol). It's also easy to see in the popular D&D podcasts, and so on.As such I think you'll find slavery is a little more of a hot-button issue with D&D's audience (and Pathfinder's audience) than it is with that of say, Dungeon Crawl Classics or whatever these "other games" you're thinking of are. Indeed, which games are you thinking of?</blockquote>