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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8965731" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. THINGS THAT DEFINITELY MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMM.</p><p></p><p>With respect Whiz, I disagree.</p><p></p><p>It can absolutely be a retcon without saying previous information was outright false, if it massively recontextualizes previous information. In fact, that's one of the most common kinds of retcon - for example "Oh yeah you thought that guy died, but turns out he uploaded his brain, and we just didn't mention it before even though it seems like it was kind of important and also something he might mention". Does that make the previous film a liar? No. Does it recontextualize things in a pretty serious way? Yeah. Would I call that a retcon? 100% I would and so would pretty much everyone I know.</p><p></p><p>It's actually rare that a retcon says previous info was outright false, I'd say. The norm really is either recontextualization or "yes and/but..." which adds to the previous information.</p><p></p><p>Nah mate come on.</p><p></p><p>Real things like that are never "retcons".</p><p></p><p>Retcon means "retroactive continuity". It is a strictly a concept that applies to fiction, even if some people sometimes fictionalize elements of their own lives ("Oh yeah I dumped them, they didn't dump me!").</p><p></p><p>Yeah that's the big question.</p><p></p><p>If WotC say The First World is true, then that's absolutely a retcon, and a huge one. And yes it's ignorable, but it's quite significant and wild. If they say it "might" be true, or was "one past" or something, then that's not really as big a deal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8965731, member: 18"] HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. THINGS THAT DEFINITELY MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMM. With respect Whiz, I disagree. It can absolutely be a retcon without saying previous information was outright false, if it massively recontextualizes previous information. In fact, that's one of the most common kinds of retcon - for example "Oh yeah you thought that guy died, but turns out he uploaded his brain, and we just didn't mention it before even though it seems like it was kind of important and also something he might mention". Does that make the previous film a liar? No. Does it recontextualize things in a pretty serious way? Yeah. Would I call that a retcon? 100% I would and so would pretty much everyone I know. It's actually rare that a retcon says previous info was outright false, I'd say. The norm really is either recontextualization or "yes and/but..." which adds to the previous information. Nah mate come on. Real things like that are never "retcons". Retcon means "retroactive continuity". It is a strictly a concept that applies to fiction, even if some people sometimes fictionalize elements of their own lives ("Oh yeah I dumped them, they didn't dump me!"). Yeah that's the big question. If WotC say The First World is true, then that's absolutely a retcon, and a huge one. And yes it's ignorable, but it's quite significant and wild. If they say it "might" be true, or was "one past" or something, then that's not really as big a deal. [/QUOTE]
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