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<blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 8965766" data-attributes="member: 11760"><p>I am OK with you and everyone you know (you have some odd discussions at work, I must say) being incorrect here.</p><p></p><p>"We didn't know this thing that happened either before we started paying attention or after we stopped paying attention," it's just stuff that happened off stage.</p><p></p><p>In Crisis on Infinite Earth, the trope originator/popularizer, the continuity of Earth was literally rewritten after 12 issues and a zillion tie-in comics altered the past, present and future (for a while, anyway) of the DC Universe. Retcons as far as the eye could see.</p><p></p><p>For instance, Jason Todd went from being a Dick Grayson clone, complete with circus origin, to being a street kid who, uh, stole the wheels off the Batmobile, which doesn't seem like a real improvement.</p><p></p><p>In contrast, in the Court of Owls (and I haven't read the storyline, so just big picture stuff here), the revelation that there has been a secret organization involved in Gotham political and economic life for centuries is just new information and is no more a retcon than learning the name of the Assistant District Attorneys who worked with Harvey Dent but whom we've never been introduced to.</p><p></p><p>If every bit of new information that provides additional context for the world is a retcon, than essentially everything is a retcon, and the term is basically meaningless.</p><p></p><p>If, in the new season of the show, we learn that Ted Lasso's ex-wife was dating someone else off-screen during the first season of the show, that's not a retcon. We had no reason to believe that wasn't true, and just not expressed. It's just new information.</p><p></p><p>To bring this back to D&D, the First World, love it or hate it, doesn't currently invalidate anything that's come before. According to the dragons -- <em>who could be completely wrong </em>-- there was a mythic world before the current material world.</p><p></p><p>We've learned things from prehistory before, most notably in Hordes of the Abyss, which told us all about the demons who existed before the Tan'aari. (No idea where the apostrophe there goes, sorry.) It doesn't mean the existing 'T'a'n'a'a'r'i' are in any way different, just that they're not the most senior folks around. Not a retcon, just new information.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Whizbang Dustyboots, post: 8965766, member: 11760"] I am OK with you and everyone you know (you have some odd discussions at work, I must say) being incorrect here. "We didn't know this thing that happened either before we started paying attention or after we stopped paying attention," it's just stuff that happened off stage. In Crisis on Infinite Earth, the trope originator/popularizer, the continuity of Earth was literally rewritten after 12 issues and a zillion tie-in comics altered the past, present and future (for a while, anyway) of the DC Universe. Retcons as far as the eye could see. For instance, Jason Todd went from being a Dick Grayson clone, complete with circus origin, to being a street kid who, uh, stole the wheels off the Batmobile, which doesn't seem like a real improvement. In contrast, in the Court of Owls (and I haven't read the storyline, so just big picture stuff here), the revelation that there has been a secret organization involved in Gotham political and economic life for centuries is just new information and is no more a retcon than learning the name of the Assistant District Attorneys who worked with Harvey Dent but whom we've never been introduced to. If every bit of new information that provides additional context for the world is a retcon, than essentially everything is a retcon, and the term is basically meaningless. If, in the new season of the show, we learn that Ted Lasso's ex-wife was dating someone else off-screen during the first season of the show, that's not a retcon. We had no reason to believe that wasn't true, and just not expressed. It's just new information. To bring this back to D&D, the First World, love it or hate it, doesn't currently invalidate anything that's come before. According to the dragons -- [I]who could be completely wrong [/I]-- there was a mythic world before the current material world. We've learned things from prehistory before, most notably in Hordes of the Abyss, which told us all about the demons who existed before the Tan'aari. (No idea where the apostrophe there goes, sorry.) It doesn't mean the existing 'T'a'n'a'a'r'i' are in any way different, just that they're not the most senior folks around. Not a retcon, just new information. [/QUOTE]
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