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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 8966098" data-attributes="member: 11760">But other than Morningstar or Dawnforge, have there been settings where the players or DM were told "look, you folks, or maybe your grandparents, were the first folks of any consequence on this mudball?"Maybe that was slipped into a setting book and I missed it, but I can't think of any.Instead, every setting I can think of -- again, other than Morningstar and Dawnforge -- are "OK, thousands of years ago, there was this empire, and this empire, and thousands of years after that, there was this empire, and hundreds of years ago, this stuff happened, and now here you are, and those are a bunch of ruins you can find cool crap in."One more layer of dead civilizations -- on another plane, at that, if it's even real -- isn't something I can wrap my brain around as a problem: "These exceptionally old ruins that even the dragons argue might be mythical have some really wild magic that hasn't been seen in 20,000 years and some records that will blow your local wizards guild's collective minds out the back of their pointy hats."</blockquote>