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5e "Anyspell," Would You Allow the Enclosed Spell?
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<blockquote data-quote="Worrgrendel" data-source="post: 7981027" data-attributes="member: 6801210"><p>Except it's not just first level spells because you gave it the ability to upcast using higher level slots. Stop and think about this for a minute and lets use the Sorcerer first as an example. At 3rd level you choose this spell as your spell known for that level. From that point on you now know every single spell on the Sorcerer class list of 1 level lower than you can currently cast. Eventually, you will have every 8th level spell and lower at your fingertips all day long every day and, because why wouldn't you, you could know 5 of the 7 9th level spells on the Sorcerer spell list (you learn 1 spell known at level 17 and can trade 1 lower level spell out for another 9th level spell at the same time and then keep trading out a known spell of a lower level at each level up to 20). You keep your bread and butter spells that you will ALWAYS be using and trade out 4 other spells for the ability to know <strong><em><u>and</u></em></strong> cast every spell on the Sorcerer list but 2? There isn't a player alive that would not make that trade rolling up a Sorcerer for their campaign. Spells known just became meaningless for the Sorcerer which is one of their balancing class features that set them apart from Wizards. They just because almost as good as Wizards (because of a slightly smaller spell list to draw from) at being Wizards. They would be better Wizards if it were not for Wizards getting this spell too.</p><p></p><p>Lets go on to the Wizard. Similar deal but <strong><em>technically</em></strong> the Wizard, with enough time and luck and study, could have every single Wizard spell in their spellbook anyway. The difference being Wizards prepare spells each day. So you always prepare the Anyspell spell and, again prepare the bread and butter spells you regularly lean on, and you basically make every spell on the Wizard list a Ritual spell that costs a slot 1 level higher. Yeah sold. You thought Wizards were utility before? So now you are making a Wizard class feature, spell preparation, meaningless because you now have every single spell on the Wizard spell list prepared at all times every day <em><strong>including</strong></em> all 15 level 9 spells (a level 20 Wizard can prep 25 spells each day, so 15 level 9 spells and then 9 others plus Anyspell). This isn't power creep it's power vaulting Hulk style.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Worrgrendel, post: 7981027, member: 6801210"] Except it's not just first level spells because you gave it the ability to upcast using higher level slots. Stop and think about this for a minute and lets use the Sorcerer first as an example. At 3rd level you choose this spell as your spell known for that level. From that point on you now know every single spell on the Sorcerer class list of 1 level lower than you can currently cast. Eventually, you will have every 8th level spell and lower at your fingertips all day long every day and, because why wouldn't you, you could know 5 of the 7 9th level spells on the Sorcerer spell list (you learn 1 spell known at level 17 and can trade 1 lower level spell out for another 9th level spell at the same time and then keep trading out a known spell of a lower level at each level up to 20). You keep your bread and butter spells that you will ALWAYS be using and trade out 4 other spells for the ability to know [B][I][U]and[/U][/I][/B] cast every spell on the Sorcerer list but 2? There isn't a player alive that would not make that trade rolling up a Sorcerer for their campaign. Spells known just became meaningless for the Sorcerer which is one of their balancing class features that set them apart from Wizards. They just because almost as good as Wizards (because of a slightly smaller spell list to draw from) at being Wizards. They would be better Wizards if it were not for Wizards getting this spell too. Lets go on to the Wizard. Similar deal but [B][I]technically[/I][/B] the Wizard, with enough time and luck and study, could have every single Wizard spell in their spellbook anyway. The difference being Wizards prepare spells each day. So you always prepare the Anyspell spell and, again prepare the bread and butter spells you regularly lean on, and you basically make every spell on the Wizard list a Ritual spell that costs a slot 1 level higher. Yeah sold. You thought Wizards were utility before? So now you are making a Wizard class feature, spell preparation, meaningless because you now have every single spell on the Wizard spell list prepared at all times every day [I][B]including[/B][/I] all 15 level 9 spells (a level 20 Wizard can prep 25 spells each day, so 15 level 9 spells and then 9 others plus Anyspell). This isn't power creep it's power vaulting Hulk style. [/QUOTE]
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