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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6782270" data-attributes="member: 996">As long as the -10 'death door' option was in use in 1e, sure.&nbsp; Not so sure about 0D&amp;D, no death door option back then, IIRC, so it can claim deadlierness in that sense, in that limited corner case, if you like.&nbsp; Or not, there were a lot of starting-hp variants back then.&nbsp; Max was common, as it is in 5e.&nbsp; 5e has variants too, of course, but they could (inconceivably) include rolling at 1st level (sucky as it would be to instantly die upon taking 2hps).But, yeah, if your CON penalty and/or roll made you bump up against the 1hp minimum in 1e, you were 11 hps away from death instead of 12 for the 6 hp 5e wizard I was talking about.&nbsp; Of course, add a CON penalty, even just an 8 CON for a -1, and your 5e wizard is 10 hps away from instant death.&nbsp; So, yeah, 'fraid so.Of course, it more than makes up for it as you go.&nbsp; Everyone gets full CON bonus to every HD and gets a HD every level straight through 20th......but, right at first, weirdly lethal.&nbsp; It's like a sheep in wolf's clothing or something.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6782270, member: 996"] As long as the -10 'death door' option was in use in 1e, sure. Not so sure about 0D&D, no death door option back then, IIRC, so it can claim deadlierness in that sense, in that limited corner case, if you like. Or not, there were a lot of starting-hp variants back then. Max was common, as it is in 5e. 5e has variants too, of course, but they could (inconceivably) include rolling at 1st level (sucky as it would be to instantly die upon taking 2hps). But, yeah, if your CON penalty and/or roll made you bump up against the 1hp minimum in 1e, you were 11 hps away from death instead of 12 for the 6 hp 5e wizard I was talking about. Of course, add a CON penalty, even just an 8 CON for a -1, and your 5e wizard is 10 hps away from instant death. So, yeah, 'fraid so. Of course, it more than makes up for it as you go. Everyone gets full CON bonus to every HD and gets a HD every level straight through 20th... ...but, right at first, weirdly lethal. It's like a sheep in wolf's clothing or something. [/QUOTE]

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