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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8513555" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Well maybe it gains Hit Dice if it eats high-level brains as well as gaining HP? If it gains the abilities of, say, a 15th level character does that mean it becomes a 15 HD creature?</p><p></p><p>Whatever, the original Thaaak was the end-of-adventure boss more or less, so the "Wizard version" we do should be of a respectable Challenge Rating. Maybe aim for 4 or so?</p><p></p><p>I think it should be tougher than the Nandie-Bear since the Kerit has all those monkeys to back it up while Thaaak is a solo encounter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well the rock-throwing will only be a fallback for ranged engagements. Most Gu'en-deeko will have missile weapon and/or spell attacks gained by brain-eating.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Time to update the <strong><a href="https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8482037" target="_blank">Gu'en-Deeko</a></strong> then!</p><p></p><p>Upon reflection, it should have Athletics proficiency in its <strong>Skills</strong> as it's a climber like an <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-ape/" target="_blank">Ape</a></strong>.</p><p></p><p>Also not sure about the proficiency in Stealth, since the original monster had no increased odds of surprise. Might leave that out.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and I removed the <strong>Damage Resistance</strong> cold as it's unsupported in the original text.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup, I was thinking the DC would be 10 + victim's proficiency bonus (PB) + victim's highest mental ability modifier.</p><p></p><p>Taking some official 5E NPCs as examples: a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/npc/pirates/npc-bandit-captain/" target="_blank">Bandit Captain</a></strong> is merely DC 14 from its +2 PB, CHA 14 (+2); while a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/npc/spellcasters/npc-mage/" target="_blank">Mage</a></strong> is DC 16 from +3 PB, INT 17 (+3); and an <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/npc/spellcasters/npc-archmage/" target="_blank">Archmage</a></strong> or <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/npc/hierophant/" target="_blank">Hierophant</a></strong> is DC 19 from their +4 PB and INT 20 (+5) or WIS 20 (+5).</p><p></p><p>We'd need some criteria for when insanity checks are necessary. Most likely, it's a risk either [#1] if the save DC or the brain's level/CR is above a certain number, or [#2] if the victim whose brain is eaten is higher HD or Challenge Rating than the Gu'en-deeko currently, or [#3] some combination of the two, like if the save DC OR level/Challenge of the new brain is higher than the current brain's save DC?</p><p></p><p>It depends on whether we want there to be a risk of a personality from a slightly lower-level but more mentally prominent creature overwriting the current personality?</p><p></p><p>i.e. if a Gu'en-deeko ate an 11th-level WIS 15 fighter's brain and then ate a 9th-level CHA 20 bard's brain, is there a chance the bard's more powerful personality will take over?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8513555, member: 57383"] Well maybe it gains Hit Dice if it eats high-level brains as well as gaining HP? If it gains the abilities of, say, a 15th level character does that mean it becomes a 15 HD creature? Whatever, the original Thaaak was the end-of-adventure boss more or less, so the "Wizard version" we do should be of a respectable Challenge Rating. Maybe aim for 4 or so? I think it should be tougher than the Nandie-Bear since the Kerit has all those monkeys to back it up while Thaaak is a solo encounter. Well the rock-throwing will only be a fallback for ranged engagements. Most Gu'en-deeko will have missile weapon and/or spell attacks gained by brain-eating. Time to update the [B][URL='https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8482037']Gu'en-Deeko[/URL][/B] then! Upon reflection, it should have Athletics proficiency in its [B]Skills[/B] as it's a climber like an [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-ape/']Ape[/URL][/B]. Also not sure about the proficiency in Stealth, since the original monster had no increased odds of surprise. Might leave that out. Oh, and I removed the [B]Damage Resistance[/B] cold as it's unsupported in the original text. Yup, I was thinking the DC would be 10 + victim's proficiency bonus (PB) + victim's highest mental ability modifier. Taking some official 5E NPCs as examples: a [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/npc/pirates/npc-bandit-captain/']Bandit Captain[/URL][/B] is merely DC 14 from its +2 PB, CHA 14 (+2); while a [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/npc/spellcasters/npc-mage/']Mage[/URL][/B] is DC 16 from +3 PB, INT 17 (+3); and an [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/npc/spellcasters/npc-archmage/']Archmage[/URL][/B] or [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/npc/hierophant/']Hierophant[/URL][/B] is DC 19 from their +4 PB and INT 20 (+5) or WIS 20 (+5). We'd need some criteria for when insanity checks are necessary. Most likely, it's a risk either [#1] if the save DC or the brain's level/CR is above a certain number, or [#2] if the victim whose brain is eaten is higher HD or Challenge Rating than the Gu'en-deeko currently, or [#3] some combination of the two, like if the save DC OR level/Challenge of the new brain is higher than the current brain's save DC? It depends on whether we want there to be a risk of a personality from a slightly lower-level but more mentally prominent creature overwriting the current personality? i.e. if a Gu'en-deeko ate an 11th-level WIS 15 fighter's brain and then ate a 9th-level CHA 20 bard's brain, is there a chance the bard's more powerful personality will take over? [/QUOTE]
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