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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8881664" data-attributes="member: 57383">Dang it, you're right. Happily retracted.Now why did I have it stuck in my head they had 6 HD? Was it just because of the "as 6th-level fighter" bit? Because the first 5E draft had six Hit Dice?Oh never mind, I can't remember and it doesn't seem important.They don't always quote a specific Strength score, but "by weapon +#" isn't that unusual in 2E. Heck, there are a few 1E monsters with it, like the Mezzodaemon has "DAMAGE/ATTACK: 7–12/7–12 or by weapon +6" in their 1E Vaults of the Drow and Fiend Folio appearances.Mezzie actually lists a Strength of 18/00 to account for the +6 damage.There seem to be as many that don't list an actual Strength, although by inference it's usually obvious what the STR stat is. A MC1 Fire Giant has "1-8, or by weapon (2-20 + 10)" but nowhere does it explain the +10 is from its Fire Giant Strength of 22, although at least that information is on page 14 of the Player's Handbook, where Table 1: STRENGTH has "Fire Giant" in the Notes for Ability Score 22.I think the humble Ogre might be the oldest monster that had a +X damage, since it added +2 to its damage dice in Book 2 of the very first version of D&D back in 1974.Giants did two damage dice in Monsters & Treasure, by the way, so they were inflicting 2d6 to the Ogre's 1d6+2.</blockquote>