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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ilgatto" data-source="post: 8891620" data-attributes="member: 86051">So STR (+4) but +6 to hit is explained by the dreaded Proficiency Bonus?But: Less or as strong as an ogre? Hmm. I'd still say they'd be stronger than an ogre because of giant connection.Good point.Perhaps. Although I'd not classify ogres as being particularly clumsy but that's probably a matter of opinion.Bugbear is a good analogy, so 12-13 is probably OK also in light of the above.Hmm, doesn't the original text suggest that their resistance to illusions has got more to do with the fact that they can't see the 3-D effects of illusions?"The cyclops’ eye handicaps it in combat so that it strikes at –1. It similarly hurls missiles at –2 but it gains +2 on saves vs illusory magic."In my mind, this says that it is handicapped because of its single eye (only!) but that it also has the advantage of being able so see through illusions (edit<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> because of it.As always, I do tend to stick to what (I believe) is said in the original.Good point on leading creatures. I guess I 2E-explained that away by thinking they'd rule through brute force but I guess that's also an aspect of 5E CHA.</blockquote>