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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blacklight85" data-source="post: 7259499" data-attributes="member: 6902983">And sway I will!Mate I of course agree with Atroper. That the great wyrm whites and brass should at least be able to have the same level of strength with the wyrm red and golds. It would be just unfair to believe that despite being older than the red and golds they're still somewhat weaker, ignoring the new abilities. Also If I remember correctly in the 3rd edition Asmodeus was a 31 CR Monster. Still not sure about that, my memory of 3e is hazy. The Great wyrm gold in the 3rd edition is a 27 CR monster only 4 cr weaker. At max power in hell Asmodeus has a CR of 37, in your Epic monster project. Also I remember that we already decided that it would be okay to bump the great wyrms one more CR to equalize the power of the white and brass great wyrms to the wyrm red and gold. Lastly please excuse my english if I have mistakes I'm rushing other stuff but can't help to look around here since it's my favorite dnd project to follow.</blockquote>