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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 7348957" data-attributes="member: 83242">That is the idea.  Though, now that I think about it some more, high attack bonuses could be an issueNot quite.  I look over and tweak these first drafts now and again.  There are some differences because my ideas on some things have changed, but all in all everything posted here is using the same general design philosophy.  FYI, both Bane and Garl use the same design principles.  They may appear at first glance to be big difference, but it is not as much as you think. Bane DPR (simple):  6x172 = 1,032Garl DPR (simple): 9x100 = 900So not that much differentNow the 2nd drafts, will be a complete rework of the design principles:  adding epic ranks (like divine rank), epic challenge (epic CR), etc., and using the "hardcore" design concepts I developed in my <a href="https://www.enworld.org/index.php?posts/7009741/" target="_blank">5e Hardcore Monsters</a> thread.  When I do the 2nd drafts I will start a new thread.</blockquote>