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<blockquote data-quote="GM Dave" data-source="post: 5827275" data-attributes="member: 6687992"><p>You can not apply today's logic to several decades removed business decisions.</p><p></p><p>At the time of 1st ed shift to 2nd ed there were some very strong market forces in parent groups that thought DnD meant satanic worshiping cultists that were going to corrupt the world.</p><p></p><p>The whole RPG movement and miniatures movement took the hit.</p><p></p><p>Gods of evil that advocated murder were out. Warhammer and Warhammer 40K were all but 'purged' of mention of demons (and what was left were removed from their former nipple natures).</p><p></p><p>Drizz't owes his existance to the change as he was a replacement character created in a five minute call as Salvatore was told that there would be no thief/assassins in the 2ed.</p><p></p><p>The Time of Troubles was most importantly an attempt to 'blue code' the realms. The game that had originally been played by Bohemian college students was now being spread to high school and grade school students and an effort was made to clean up the 'objectionable' bits.</p><p></p><p>The internet, television, and movies have done much to spread a 'view' of gaming with DnD portrayed as on the more 'normal' side and Apocalypse World or Poison'd on the fringe or 'avente garde' (a safe distance away from the Pokemon players).</p><p></p><p>-------------------</p><p></p><p>What I have my biggest problem with the realms is actually not with 'setting' but with the writing. It seems that every year there is new 'crisis' that threatens the realms and affects 'every' realm (or at least most of the popular ones that you'd want to game in).</p><p></p><p>What year is this? Oh, the dragons have decided to go crazy and attack everyone.</p><p></p><p>What year is this? Oh, the priates have decided to attack everywhere along the coast.</p><p></p><p>What year is this? Oh, giant ameboas from space have escaped their containment vessel and are going to kill us all.</p><p></p><p>Each crisis has 4-6 authored books telling of the 'Doom of the Realms'.</p><p></p><p>I like Kenny on South Park and the first few times he dies is 'I can't believe they wrote that and showed that on a cartoon'. Now, it is oh, yeah, I guess something had to happen.</p><p></p><p>------------------------</p><p></p><p>And while richness is great, that richness has included plenty of stuff that makes almost anyone look at the map and say, 'what the heck were they thinking'. (There are previous posters who have covered this topic in much better detail then I can).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GM Dave, post: 5827275, member: 6687992"] You can not apply today's logic to several decades removed business decisions. At the time of 1st ed shift to 2nd ed there were some very strong market forces in parent groups that thought DnD meant satanic worshiping cultists that were going to corrupt the world. The whole RPG movement and miniatures movement took the hit. Gods of evil that advocated murder were out. Warhammer and Warhammer 40K were all but 'purged' of mention of demons (and what was left were removed from their former nipple natures). Drizz't owes his existance to the change as he was a replacement character created in a five minute call as Salvatore was told that there would be no thief/assassins in the 2ed. The Time of Troubles was most importantly an attempt to 'blue code' the realms. The game that had originally been played by Bohemian college students was now being spread to high school and grade school students and an effort was made to clean up the 'objectionable' bits. The internet, television, and movies have done much to spread a 'view' of gaming with DnD portrayed as on the more 'normal' side and Apocalypse World or Poison'd on the fringe or 'avente garde' (a safe distance away from the Pokemon players). ------------------- What I have my biggest problem with the realms is actually not with 'setting' but with the writing. It seems that every year there is new 'crisis' that threatens the realms and affects 'every' realm (or at least most of the popular ones that you'd want to game in). What year is this? Oh, the dragons have decided to go crazy and attack everyone. What year is this? Oh, the priates have decided to attack everywhere along the coast. What year is this? Oh, giant ameboas from space have escaped their containment vessel and are going to kill us all. Each crisis has 4-6 authored books telling of the 'Doom of the Realms'. I like Kenny on South Park and the first few times he dies is 'I can't believe they wrote that and showed that on a cartoon'. Now, it is oh, yeah, I guess something had to happen. ------------------------ And while richness is great, that richness has included plenty of stuff that makes almost anyone look at the map and say, 'what the heck were they thinking'. (There are previous posters who have covered this topic in much better detail then I can). [/QUOTE]
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