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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7443431" data-attributes="member: 996">Legendary feat abilities aren't even magic, and don't really have anything much to do with magic power levels, AFAICT.   Anytime you hear "go play X," yeah, probably some of that goin' on.   It scales differently in some areas, the same in others.  PC Hit Points, for instance, just like 3e, through the same 20 levels.  Stats, OTOH, cap much lower, at 20.  Then there's BA, which essentially gives everyone a BAB (and Base Everythingelse Bonus) between +2 and +6.   5e casters are also more versatile, and face no limitation at all for casting in melee, and, while they can't optimize concentration checks to make them automatically, are called on to make them less often.  They're also subject to the scaling differences.  Save DCs, for instance, scale with /character/ (not caster) level rather than with slot level, OTOH, damage scales with slot level rather than caster level.  Similar to 3e, classes have some good and some bad saves, but there are 6 saves, two good (gain that same +2-+6 bonus) and 4 bad (no bonus for level, at all).  There are also far fewer spells to choose from.  So it's pretty muddy, but overall, casters are arguably more versatile, everyone's arguably 'less powerful' in some senses, and there's less opportunity for 'system mastery,' so the extremes of build are less extreme.  For instance, even though it's pretty trivial to hammer an enemy save that hasn't scaled with level with a DC that has been, but that scaling's no more than +6, while in 3.x you could optimize untouchable save DCs.Ultimately, though, in terms of what casters can do in concept, the game doesn't present a feel that's any "less magical." Neither 3e nor 5e is at all "S&S" in the genre sense, no.  Magic is far too available, dependable, & safe, among other things. D&D hasn't exactly ever done 'High Fantasy' well, either, not in the genre sense - it's nothing much like Tolkien, for instance.Now, one thing you may or may not care about is Magic Items.  In 3e, as you know, there's assumed wealth/level and you can make/buy magic items by-the-book.  In 5e, there is no assumed wealth/level, and magic items are placed by the DM, including opportunities to buy, and making an item is more old-school, the DM decides what you need, how long, and whether it works.  So magic items aren't a build component the way they are in 3e.If, ultimately, you're looking for the same basic, selectively-applied 'realism,' of a setting that is nothing so much as a sort of science-fiction-but-with-magic mashup, then, yeah, 5e is as much that way as 3e (or classic D&D back in the day).   But, I doubt PF2 will stray from that paradigm, anyway, remember this is just playtest material, they have to toss out a few ideas they know will likely be unpopular so folks can vote 'em down and feel included in the process.  So "Don't Panic," but do let you displeasure be known... I mean, provide feedback.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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