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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8703156" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah I'm not really commenting on the FR.I actually think the FR situation, at this point, is fine. I'm not saying &quot;OMG WE NEED AN FR SUPER DETAIL BOOK!&quot; or something. As you say, it wouldn't be likely to add much and a reboot might be unpopular (albeit I suspect less unpopular than many think).But when stuff like VRGtR covers dozens of places, whilst modernising them in interesting ways, but covers them in so little detail they barely feel run-able, and particularly it doesn't feel like it was worth paying for that level of rushed coverage, that's not great. And VRGtR isn't even the worst. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like VRGtR and some of the areas are covered enough (albeit just barely!) - but others it's like, why even bother to quarter-arse it like that?I mean, this has been an ongoing problem with WotC in 5E with both adventures and setting books. Some are absolutely fine. Especially ones from earlier in the edition (with the exception of SCAG, which is a mess, but I'm tempted to forgive that). Some however, feel like they're not giving you very much, at all, for your money. That, for me, is the real problem here. If you provide so little detail that I'm essentially not paying for anything, you raise the question of why I'm giving you money at all.That's not a point, that's an unsupported and illogical opinion that you've expressed.Repeating an unsupported opinion with no argument, no rationale, no logic, is, as I said, like standing up before the orchestra, raising your baton, then making a run for the door! You're saying &quot;I could be a conductor!&quot;, but you're not actually conducting anything.And no, the idea that &quot;streamlined&quot; and &quot;cursory/shallow&quot; are merely different perspectives on the same material, without specifying the material is frankly just nonsensical hot air. Whether you like it or not is subjective, but cursory and shallow are not words without meaning, nor is &quot;streamlined&quot;. These are words that mean things and cannot simply be substituted for one another dependent on taste.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8703156, member: 18"] Yeah I'm not really commenting on the FR. I actually think the FR situation, [I]at this point[/I], is fine. I'm [I]not [/I]saying "OMG WE NEED AN FR SUPER DETAIL BOOK!" or something. As you say, it wouldn't be likely to add much and a reboot might be unpopular (albeit I suspect less unpopular than many think). But when stuff like VRGtR covers dozens of places, whilst modernising them in interesting ways, but covers them in so little detail they barely feel run-able, and particularly it doesn't feel like it was worth paying for that level of rushed coverage, that's not great. And VRGtR isn't even the worst. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like VRGtR and some of the areas are covered enough (albeit just barely!) - but others it's like, why even bother to quarter-arse it like that? I mean, this has been an ongoing problem with WotC in 5E with both adventures and setting books. Some are absolutely fine. Especially ones from earlier in the edition (with the exception of SCAG, which is a mess, but I'm tempted to forgive that). Some however, feel like they're not giving you very much, at all, for your money. That, for me, is the real problem here. If you provide so little detail that I'm essentially not paying for anything, you raise the question of why I'm giving you money at all. That's not a point, that's an unsupported and illogical opinion that you've expressed. Repeating an unsupported opinion with no argument, no rationale, no logic, is, as I said, like standing up before the orchestra, raising your baton, then making a run for the door! You're saying "I could be a conductor!", but you're not actually conducting anything. And no, the idea that "streamlined" and "cursory/shallow" are merely different perspectives on the same material, without specifying the material is frankly just nonsensical hot air. Whether you [I]like it [/I]or not is subjective, but cursory and shallow are not words without meaning, nor is "streamlined". These are words that mean things and cannot simply be substituted for one another dependent on taste. [/QUOTE]

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