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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8705027" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I mean, I like you dude and you have a lot of interesting info, so I don't want to be too harsh, but if we're looking at this neutrally, you just named:</p><p></p><p>A) Three products that are licences of non-WotC IPs.</p><p></p><p>B) Beadle and Grimm, who aren't WotC.</p><p></p><p>C) Minis, which are not made by WotC, but rather Wizkids.</p><p></p><p>Like, that's exactly what I'd expect a WotC hyper-fan to name as the "things they disliked", because they're non-WotC to a very significant degree. They're all benefiting companies who aren't WotC. So from a neutral perspective, I feel like this strongly reinforces the point I am making. No hate, because again, I like you and value your input when it's not just defending stuff, but you see the pattern right?</p><p></p><p>And yes chicken and egg is an issue - it could be that WotC and you are just on exactly the same wavelength. The de facto impact is the same. I actually assume your views are genuine, not fake or something, but they're so consistently "Everything WotC does is great!" that it can be hard to engage with. And I was dealing with a claim that I'm mindless critical of everything WotC does (not from you, but you did give it a thumbs up), which is frankly laughable. The difference is that I can cite extensive praise and criticism of WotC and their products. 5E is honestly both an edition damaged by the fact that it was an "apology edition", and a brilliantly streamlined take on D&D that was accessible enough (in the more rules-savvy climate of the 2010s and 2020s, which videogames created) to go huge. WotC have put out tons of good products, and further, almost uniquely in TT RPG history, recognised they were going in the wrong direction, and changed direction!</p><p></p><p>That itself is fascinating - I cannot think of another company which managed that within an edition. Usually you see the precise opposite - a TT RPG company decides on a direction that's not necessarily popular with their playerbase, doubles-down on it, and then is all "surprised Pikachu" when it doesn't work out (c.f. the "Revised" edition of the oWoD, for example, which was itself kind of a weird apology edition, but that wasn't something a game succeeding as had as the 2E oWoD needed - at all!).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8705027, member: 18"] I mean, I like you dude and you have a lot of interesting info, so I don't want to be too harsh, but if we're looking at this neutrally, you just named: A) Three products that are licences of non-WotC IPs. B) Beadle and Grimm, who aren't WotC. C) Minis, which are not made by WotC, but rather Wizkids. Like, that's exactly what I'd expect a WotC hyper-fan to name as the "things they disliked", because they're non-WotC to a very significant degree. They're all benefiting companies who aren't WotC. So from a neutral perspective, I feel like this strongly reinforces the point I am making. No hate, because again, I like you and value your input when it's not just defending stuff, but you see the pattern right? And yes chicken and egg is an issue - it could be that WotC and you are just on exactly the same wavelength. The de facto impact is the same. I actually assume your views are genuine, not fake or something, but they're so consistently "Everything WotC does is great!" that it can be hard to engage with. And I was dealing with a claim that I'm mindless critical of everything WotC does (not from you, but you did give it a thumbs up), which is frankly laughable. The difference is that I can cite extensive praise and criticism of WotC and their products. 5E is honestly both an edition damaged by the fact that it was an "apology edition", and a brilliantly streamlined take on D&D that was accessible enough (in the more rules-savvy climate of the 2010s and 2020s, which videogames created) to go huge. WotC have put out tons of good products, and further, almost uniquely in TT RPG history, recognised they were going in the wrong direction, and changed direction! That itself is fascinating - I cannot think of another company which managed that within an edition. Usually you see the precise opposite - a TT RPG company decides on a direction that's not necessarily popular with their playerbase, doubles-down on it, and then is all "surprised Pikachu" when it doesn't work out (c.f. the "Revised" edition of the oWoD, for example, which was itself kind of a weird apology edition, but that wasn't something a game succeeding as had as the 2E oWoD needed - at all!). [/QUOTE]
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