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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8705029" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>See you're still pushing false dichotomy.</p><p></p><p>Nobody is asking for FR-wiki-levels (or 2E FR for that matter) of ultra-detail in WotC setting products. For example, with VRGtR, I was suggesting 33% more setting info, which is what, a few dozen pages split among dozens of domains.</p><p></p><p>You're pushing an idea that people either are happy with very lightly sketched settings (why even pay for that?) or they want 3000+ words on the Harpers. It's absolutely bananas. There's no either/or. What people want, I'd suggest, is something more like the 5E Eberron take in terms of level of detail. What's unfortunate lately is that WotC are moving away from that. I can't even make 3PP comparisons because 3PP publishers just don't go as light as WotC are going.</p><p></p><p>Personally I think the reason WotC are going this way is part of the movement to make D&D into a lifestyle brand rather than a TT RPG, primarily, but I guess we'll see. WotC want people to buy things not because they're useful to them, but because they're "D&D fans" or "D&D collectors". This is a fundamental transition. People are IP fans or collectors behave very differently from people who are TT RPG DMs or players. Actual DMs/players only buy material that is useful to them. But fans and collectors don't follow that - collectors just buy pretty much everything. Fans buy stuff in a different way that tends to place far less value on real utility to them, and far more on, well, branding, "cool factor", and what's new and hot and so on.</p><p></p><p>The US in particular is increasingly a nation of fans/collectors, especially the nerdier side of things, as the US has far more disposable wealth floating around than other nations, so it kind of makes sense for WotC to try to transition to being a lifestyle brand with "fans" rather than have D&D as a TT RPG with what might be better called "users", because they can wring a lot more money out of fans.</p><p></p><p>This is why WotC are going this way but 3PPs and other RPG companies are not - they still need people to buy the actual products on their merit, because they can't rely on collectors/IP fans the same way. But you can see the influence increasingly on Kickstarters and so on. Kickstarters for TT RPG products associated with a nerd-popular IP which has a lot of fans/collectors go insanely huge, no matter unlikely it seems that many people actually want to play, say, a Blade Runner RPG.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8705029, member: 18"] See you're still pushing false dichotomy. Nobody is asking for FR-wiki-levels (or 2E FR for that matter) of ultra-detail in WotC setting products. For example, with VRGtR, I was suggesting 33% more setting info, which is what, a few dozen pages split among dozens of domains. You're pushing an idea that people either are happy with very lightly sketched settings (why even pay for that?) or they want 3000+ words on the Harpers. It's absolutely bananas. There's no either/or. What people want, I'd suggest, is something more like the 5E Eberron take in terms of level of detail. What's unfortunate lately is that WotC are moving away from that. I can't even make 3PP comparisons because 3PP publishers just don't go as light as WotC are going. Personally I think the reason WotC are going this way is part of the movement to make D&D into a lifestyle brand rather than a TT RPG, primarily, but I guess we'll see. WotC want people to buy things not because they're useful to them, but because they're "D&D fans" or "D&D collectors". This is a fundamental transition. People are IP fans or collectors behave very differently from people who are TT RPG DMs or players. Actual DMs/players only buy material that is useful to them. But fans and collectors don't follow that - collectors just buy pretty much everything. Fans buy stuff in a different way that tends to place far less value on real utility to them, and far more on, well, branding, "cool factor", and what's new and hot and so on. The US in particular is increasingly a nation of fans/collectors, especially the nerdier side of things, as the US has far more disposable wealth floating around than other nations, so it kind of makes sense for WotC to try to transition to being a lifestyle brand with "fans" rather than have D&D as a TT RPG with what might be better called "users", because they can wring a lot more money out of fans. This is why WotC are going this way but 3PPs and other RPG companies are not - they still need people to buy the actual products on their merit, because they can't rely on collectors/IP fans the same way. But you can see the influence increasingly on Kickstarters and so on. Kickstarters for TT RPG products associated with a nerd-popular IP which has a lot of fans/collectors go insanely huge, no matter unlikely it seems that many people actually want to play, say, a Blade Runner RPG. [/QUOTE]
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