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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9249592" data-attributes="member: 57383">The Giant Tropical Damselfly has some unusual behaviour compared to a regular Odonatid, so I'm inclined to start with the Giant Dragonfly and basically scale it up and down from there for the others.As for Challenge Rating, I'm thinking the Nymphs will have roughly the same CR as the Adults (Odonatid naiads are vicious little devils) and obviously they'd go up in CR as they scale up in size, but haven't decided whether the Emperor Dragonfly is a better candidate for Challenge 3 or the Giant Tropical Damselfly.It really depends on what we want them to be tough enough to eat. If the Emperor routinely catches Giant Horseflies for example, logically it would need a significantly higher Challenge than the Tabanid's CR 1 and might be CR 3 itself. If it maxes out at CR 1/2 prey like Giant Wasps I could see it as having CR 2 or so.Also, it's literally Huge! That's the size of an Elephant. Methinks Challenge 3 is pretty much a minimum for a Giant Tropical Damselfly, and I think it works better a bit higher.For comparison, the Huge Beasts in the Monster Manual are: Dinosaur, Ankylosaurus—CR 3 Dinosaur, Triceratops—CR 5 Dinosaur, Tyrannosaurus rex—CR 8 Elephant—CR 4 Giant Ape—CR 7 Giant Constrictor Snake—CR 2 Giant Crocodile—CR 5 Giant Elk—CR 2 Giant Shark—CR 5 Killer Whale—CR 3 [that's a bit low!] Mammoth—CR 6 Now I think it makes more sense thinking of a Giant Tropical Damselfly as being like a giant crocodile or giant shark that can fly, so somewhere around Challenge 5 or 6 feels about right.The rest of the Challenge Ratings can just scale down from there.How about these targets: Giant Damselfly—CR 1 [or maybe CR 1/2?] Giant Dragonfly—CR 2 [or maybe CR 1?] Giant Emperor Dragonfly—CR 3 Giant Tropical Damselfly—CR 5 The reason I'm putting the Giant Dragonfly at Challenge 2 rather than 1 is that the AD&D versions are fairly close in lethality, so a 50% jump in CR is a better match than a 100% one.Further thought, and I'm liking the Damselfly as being Medium sized but weaker than a Dragonfly, so will change the Small nymph to a generic Odonatid. Damselfly larva are just as lethal as dragonfly larva.EDIT: Okay, I've updated the <a href="https://www.enworld.org/posts/9249164" target="_blank">Index of 5E Monster Arthropods</a> with some proposed target Challenge Ratings for the Odonata.</blockquote>

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