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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 7803379" data-attributes="member: 83242">It was, but I am no longer convinced that is the simplest solution.&nbsp; Is fixing a troll at CR 5 and changing what CR 5 means really better then increasing its CR per the DMG and changing what a CR 5 encounter means?.&nbsp; Heck there are already official trolls with CR 6, 7, 9, 11 &amp; 13!For example, a theoretical &quot;hardcore&quot; Troll ( a troll Brute or whatever) would just be a troll with stronger and more interesting stats, a more challenging troll.&nbsp; I think it would be more confusing to give a more difficult troll the same CR as a regular troll.&nbsp; I mean if a DM already knows that CR 5 is a moderate challenge for their players, it could turn ugly for them if they pick a troll brute that is quite a bit tougher, but also listed at CR 5.&nbsp; This also helps create &quot;minion&quot; versions of monsters.I get how you feel, I was there, and I haven't changed anything yet, but I just think the better option is what is most intuitive to others, not what feels right to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 7803379, member: 83242"] It was, but I am no longer convinced that is the simplest solution. Is fixing a troll at CR 5 and changing what CR 5 means really better then increasing its CR per the DMG and changing what a CR 5 encounter means?. Heck there are already official trolls with CR 6, 7, 9, 11 & 13! For example, a theoretical "hardcore" Troll ( a troll Brute or whatever) would just be a troll with stronger and more interesting stats, a more [B][I]challenging[/I][/B] troll. I think it would be more confusing to give a more difficult troll the same CR as a regular troll. I mean if a DM already knows that CR 5 is a moderate challenge for their players, it could turn ugly for them if they pick a troll brute that is quite a bit tougher, but also listed at CR 5. This also helps create "minion" versions of monsters. I get how you feel, I was there, and I haven't changed anything yet, but I just think the better option is what is most intuitive to others, not what feels right to me. [/QUOTE]

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