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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 7710542" data-attributes="member: 5100">It probably has to do with me not really caring about the Warlord and being totally fine with the Valor Bard as the 5E Warlord. While I don't like the whole &quot;psionics is different than magic&quot; thing, I can't keep track of who wants it separate and who doesn't. So, if you don't want magic for psionics and want to use &quot;psionics is different&quot; then the Avatar is a non-magic class that does the stuff that a Warlord does. YMMV, of course.The Cleric's schtick is &quot;character that channels divine power&quot;. Divine power is &quot;power that comes from a deity or similar entity&quot;. By definition, a Cleric must be affiliated with a deity or some such. Of course, you can reskin it and do whatever you want. Lankhmar reskinned it as a &quot;white wizard&quot; and it worked. It's the same thing as calling the Valor Bard a Warlord, though. It works, mechanically, but it is really just a rules hack. No matter how much TSR/WotC says otherwise, it doesn't make it so.Maybe it's because it's been a while since I had the book, but the Avatar doesn't seem quite as Cleric-y as I remember the Ardent being. Nothing that couldn't get solved by a longer list of Disciplines, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 7710542, member: 5100"] It probably has to do with me not really caring about the Warlord and being totally fine with the Valor Bard as the 5E Warlord. While I don't like the whole "psionics is different than magic" thing, I can't keep track of who wants it separate and who doesn't. So, if you don't want magic for psionics and want to use "psionics is different" then the Avatar is a non-magic class that does the stuff that a Warlord does. YMMV, of course. The Cleric's schtick is "character that channels divine power". Divine power is "power that comes from a deity or similar entity". By definition, a Cleric [U]must[/U] be affiliated with a deity or some such. Of course, you can reskin it and do whatever you want. Lankhmar reskinned it as a "white wizard" and it worked. It's the same thing as calling the Valor Bard a Warlord, though. It works, mechanically, but it is really just a rules hack. No matter how much TSR/WotC says otherwise, it doesn't make it so. Maybe it's because it's been a while since I had the book, but the Avatar doesn't seem quite as Cleric-y as I remember the Ardent being. Nothing that couldn't get solved by a longer list of Disciplines, though. [/QUOTE]

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