D&D 5E 5e, some thoughts.

Mark CMG

Creative Mountain Games
As an (O)D&D player since the mid-70s, if I had thought in terms of deal breakers I never would have tried 1E, 2E, 3.XE, 4E or the many other RPGs that have given me tons of fun over the past four decades. I'm glad I am not one who sees an individual mechanic and considers it a deal breaking decision but if that is how someone wishes to approach thier tabletop hobby gaming, particularly before the game has even been finalized, there's really nothing the rest of us can do to talk them out of such a stance. We're probably better off not trying.
 

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Tortoise

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As for dealbreakers, I see lot of it as a thin justification ofr not playing a game. Sure, if it is too serious, I can see it, but for example rolling stats or using point buy is trivial. If that is somone's dealbreaker, I just cannot understand their way of thinking.

From what they have indicated so far both rolling for stats and point buy are options and there is no reason for either to be left out. At least this way the DM and group can decide which to use.
 

Tortoise

First Post
On another topic within the framework of the thread . . .

A DM of one of the groups I play in remarked recently that he feels the game is already written and the open playtest is just a marketing tool and nothing we as playtesters suggest will affect the core mechanics as they stand.

While I can understand where he is coming from (they have been playtesting and designing for over 9 months already), I am a little more optimistic and feel that if enough playtesters have a disagreement with something that is currently in the skeleton, that it could be altered.

The designers did say it was going to be quite a while before release so despite not giving us a solid time-frame it would seem long enough to fix a big issue if one is discovered.
 

Consonant Dude

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Deal breakers are silly.

I hate vancian, and they have said it is in, but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker (but TBH if they brought back THAC0 I'm gone) as long as I get to do magical stuff all the time (no crossbows, no slings, and no big sticks)

Most of the things that people say are dealbreakers are stupid. Those people will be in the minority - and if people say that they are probably overstating their feelings. It is the internet afterall.

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OK, so this example is extreme but between that and the perfect game for each of us, everyone has a breaking point somewhere in the middle. And with so many amazing roleplaying games out there and more being produced all the time, skipping something that isn't to your liking is not so unreasonable ;)

Just registered here and am carefully optimistic about the next edition. I hope it will be amazing for as many people as possible. But if it's not for me, I'm not gonna feel silly about playing something else.
 


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