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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8774680" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>What are you even talking about? That's not how she's described as operating the in the main Planescape book at all. You seem to be confusing her with a bad DM who used her as an excuse, just as they can use any divine figure. She's not supposed to be messing with players doing anything except trying to blow up Sigil. If you want a "blow up Sigil" campaign, obviously the first thing the DM needs to do is remove her from the picture.</p><p></p><p>Are you perhaps talking about the legendarily terrible Monte Cook (not Zeb Cook) adventure <em>Faction War</em>? Which was essentially "blow up Sigil"-themed.</p><p></p><p>Because yeah, in that, because Monte Cook was a numpty (soz Monte but you were), he suddenly turns the distinctly non-interventionist LoP, who only does things when Sigil is actually threatened, into a ridiculous heavy-intervention character. It's basically some White Wolf/WoD metaplot nonsense, and much worse because the resolution was never published (according to Monte, anyway), so Planescape is kind of stuck (canon-wise) in a horrible state where the Factions are exiled and Sigil is intensely boring. 4E followed this canon, sadly (possibly 3E too).</p><p></p><p>5E did say no non-5E stuff was canon so they may yet fix it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8774680, member: 18"] What are you even talking about? That's not how she's described as operating the in the main Planescape book at all. You seem to be confusing her with a bad DM who used her as an excuse, just as they can use any divine figure. She's not supposed to be messing with players doing anything except trying to blow up Sigil. If you want a "blow up Sigil" campaign, obviously the first thing the DM needs to do is remove her from the picture. Are you perhaps talking about the legendarily terrible Monte Cook (not Zeb Cook) adventure [I]Faction War[/I]? Which was essentially "blow up Sigil"-themed. Because yeah, in that, because Monte Cook was a numpty (soz Monte but you were), he suddenly turns the distinctly non-interventionist LoP, who only does things when Sigil is actually threatened, into a ridiculous heavy-intervention character. It's basically some White Wolf/WoD metaplot nonsense, and much worse because the resolution was never published (according to Monte, anyway), so Planescape is kind of stuck (canon-wise) in a horrible state where the Factions are exiled and Sigil is intensely boring. 4E followed this canon, sadly (possibly 3E too). 5E did say no non-5E stuff was canon so they may yet fix it. [/QUOTE]
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